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Sick of Labor, sick of Liberals,sick of Greens

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it's painfully obvious that the opposition is presently not over endowed with competence but they're not that stupid to put Turnbull back. Only Labor supporters would do that.
Why would anyone go from Rudd/Gillard to Turnbull ?
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 6:34:43 PM
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Sonofgloin I share your views. Belly if you want to put me in a box I would best be described as a democratic socialist, check out the Swiss constitution to see where I am coming from. In my view the Australian constitution comes a very poor second, so this is where we should all start. The point I keep hammering is that we in Australia no longer control our own destiny, our economy is dictated by corporate global traders and our government continues to support international trade deals which, far from helping the people of this country actually remove the barriers to our continued exploitation. It is a simple choice; we as a country must embrace the clear differance and make the choice between a protected economy, as we had prior to the 70s or the open slather, uncontrolled, neo-liberal free market which dominates our lives today. I seem to be repeating myself however, I have yet to hear a word of understanding of this fundamental dilemma from one of our political leaders so from my perspective this discussion as to who might do what seems irrelevant.
Den71
Posted by DEN71, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 7:44:24 PM
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<< I really doubt I will live long enough to vote Labor again….. They are just too tricky >>

Hasbeen, they’re no trickydickier than the Libs, are they?

Point is; we desperately need a new political direction, given that just about everyone hates all our political parties.

The new direction to me is obvious. And the people to lead the way are also obvious.

They’re in Labor. Not a hint of anything positive within the Libs.... or Greens!

<< ….we'll have to put the effort into convincing the Libs that a low immigration policy is in their best interest. >>

It won’t work! The Libs are going to win the next election as they now are. So it is Labor that we need to work on.

If they can change their evils ways, in the way that Kelvin Thomson espouses and Bob Carr agrees with, and start doing it in the near future so that it is properly bedded in by the following election, then they’ll be on a winner for sure!

THIS is what we should be working towards!
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 9:42:06 PM
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<< I watched Monday's "Q and A," and saw Malcolm Turnbull's eloquent performance. He would indeed make a first class PM. >>

Lexi, yes, he comes across very well, and shows considerable economic nous and knowledge in other areas.

But what would he do for the country as PM?

I fear that he’d do what Rudd did – just dig us further and faster into a whopping great hole!

His economic knowledge is afterall pseudoeconomic knowledge. That is; he goes right along with the absurd belief that we need continuous never-ending growth – predicated first and foremost on very high immigration, which is completely self-defeating because it creates an ever-rapidly-increasing demand for everything, including all the services and infrastructure that we are having enormous problems maintaining, let alone improving.

He’s an old-school entrenched continuous-growth pseudoeconomist. And this absolutely NOT what we need from our next PM!

Turnbull is an appealing orator with an enticing intellect. But it has to come down to policies… and he just doesn't cut the mustard any more-so than Abbott, as far as I can see.
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 10:03:34 PM
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Ludwig,
I agree completely with your views re the myth of eternal growth.
Problem is, I don't see any politician on the horizon willing to take on that fight.
In fact, I would posit that, as our system presently stands, it would be impossible for any leader to take on that fight and win.
I prefer Turnbull to most of the current crop for two reasons.
One, he's highly intelligent, nothwithstanding, as you point out his conventional economic views.
Second, I do believe I detect more than a shred of integrity about him.
And that is something of a rarity these days.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au
Posted by Anthonyve, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 10:42:39 PM
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If they can change their evils ways,
Ludwig,
I don't think they're evil at all, just plain incompetent. No-one in their right mind would give them the time of day after all the mess they got us into. I'd have more faith in the Greens & they have a proven record of uselessness. Unless the ALP reverts to being Labor again we might see a smidgeon of improvement but you'd need to rid the party of every single academic. To disconnect that bandwagon is nigh impossible. So, Tony Abbott & his gang really are the only shimmer of hope for Australia. A flat tyre will get you further than no wheel at all.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 11:02:45 PM
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