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To be or not to be

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its funny the range of emotions
first i note to be not to be[think suicide;]
then read the con-tent...see the context and have much opinion

but then read the comments
and all thought stops

mr bell is the only..adverse reaction i know of
though no doudt..mr bell coped with it in the old way[shrug it off]
he dislikes my use of mr bell..i dislike addressing a stomache..thus the honoyuum..of mr[cause i know belly with love in my heart]

but not all lust to love[live to love]
but lets address this id secret thing..its delusional
i know i had to proof id..to get online..as do the rest of you

even then there is posting style
its not hard to find out who we are

but lets slide back to the honourum..[mr]
the title..mr indicates a male 'person'
person is defined as including govt/business
including means limits it to[govt/busness]..but we were taught WHAT?

word is more powerfull than sword
so clearly some words cut others hard
some words cut through the cccc rap./.others break ice!

i look at the heading to recal focus to topic
and recall..that all 'person's]..are in law persons
[now under the law..personhood is included in..is person[all persons fall under the act]

because the acts can only control persons
[ie dead corperate fictions..[in caps means the thinking is this particular person is dead]

ditto signing in black ink/blue ink
onto any form..creates a dead dopple ganger..[person]
usually in the form of a 'licence'..that is the true person[under the act]

dotto if written in CAPITAL letters
[you recallk no doudt nouns[naming words..only capitalise the first letter]

so there is lots of ways our god given rights
have been legally subverted [perverted]..by the state
via the fictions of PERSON..and the signs point to a person

wether it choses to be or not
isnt able to be done by any MR..siomply by begging govt licence
[govt collectivly affectivly is like a dead trust..run by the living to serve the dead

thus they suck our lifeblood
via the lie of person
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 23 June 2012 8:47:35 AM
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Thanks folks for the comments.
It occurred to me after kicking-off that there's not that much to be discussed on the subject, but OUG's comment is filled with suggestions!

I agree, David Corbett, that it should be about the subject matter, and it's true that we pin a certain amount of self-worth on what we say, and we feel it when it's devalued.
Depending on your point of view we're all literally anonymous, mere representation, so it's fascinating the way we identify so powerfully with our opinions; they largely make up the virtual-self we live as literal.

Lexi, I think your a good example of a pseudonym that takes on real shape. You're the epitome of civility in that your the least likely to use your anonymity as a weapon.

When I've been called a coward I think it's been because I've given offence to a real representation(?) in the world, who wears his frankness with pride, but is insecure and hypersensitive of it; such personages seem to think their "manliness" of disclosure is deserving of respect merely for that. A genuine public intellectual is a rare beast and someone who objectifies the subject matter. If one is going to lecture the world, personal investments should be eschewed.

Poirot; yep, well it is social media after all, and having opinions gives pseudo-substance to the sense of self. Why else do we have this need to be heard but acknowledgement?
No doubt too anonymity is about protecting ourselves. Squeers can make a fool of himself but "I" remain safely anonymous.
I do a cleaning job in the evenings and it's interesting the way I'm treated by people I encouinter. Mostly they're ultra-conscious of our relative stations and are eager to compensate by treating me with seeming-equality. I suspect disabled people would understand, the way we treat them as if they're just the same. It was refreshing to hear a disabled person complain about this recently, that sometimes she doesn't want her "independence respected", but an offer to help. People are less magnanimous when it comes to practicalities.

Getting to you, OUG.
Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 23 June 2012 9:56:01 AM
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Squeers,

"...and having opinions gives substance to the sense of self. Why else do we have this need to be heard but acknowledgement?"

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Acknowledgement and even more "approval" gives our sense of self a boost. It's a way of satisfying our egos, since they are always in need of nourishment. I know how I feel if someone gives kudos to my opinion here - and it's not the sort of approval that is easy to attain in the real world. Other relationships in day to day life are imbued with certain affinities, loyalties and antipathies and therefore reactions to our opinions are likely to be coloured by these. Also, there is always someone around here that is wanting to offer and receive interaction, eager to expand their minds and share their views. It is, in that respect, a meeting place - a real "forum".

I think it's a natural human phenomenon to want to share thoughts and feelings. In fact I believe it is almost imperative for us to engage like that. Consequently, online forums appeal to us even if our real identities are hidden.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 23 June 2012 10:19:36 AM
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Dear Squeers,

Posting on this forum - has been and continues
to be a learning experience. The topics vary
as do the opinions. And even though most of us will
react if the right buttons are pushed at times -
and I've had some classic dummy spits. Yet I've also
learned from the experiences. I have worried about
security at times - that's another reason that I
feel that anonymity is a good idea on a public
forum such as this one. Over all though - its
being able to express one's opinions and views
as Poirot has pointed out -
and the sharing of ideas that I also find is a
great drawcard here.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 23 June 2012 11:13:39 AM
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OUG,
I know what you mean about Belly; I feel the same way about Loudmouth and am much more comfortable calling him Joe.
I wasn't sure whether you meant identity or Freud's "id"--the materialist's self, Jekyll's Hyde, the hid id. You seem to be talking about the interpellated self, a conjuration of ideological institutions, legally invoked and validated, whose hail we mechanically answer forever more. But you presumably believe in a soul that's thus imposed upon. I still find dualism a possibility too, vested in our sceptical commitment to the institutionalised-self. It's more the suspension of disbelief than genuine identification, which would surely be unconscious, indeed consciouslessness.
But this talk will put some people off.
As you say, we're not entirely anonymous; our personae are gendered, politicised and variously pigeon-holed.
This is a profound truth:
<so there is lots of ways our god given rights
have been legally subverted [perverted]..by the state
via the fictions of PERSON>

I don't know about "god given", but we're certainly patronised and ideologically-controlled from the outset. Being anonymous allows us to experiment with and transgress against our conventional boundaries.
I wonder if the self-identifiers are too credulous? Thinking about them, there seems an obsessive tendency to accept the parameters of our human reality (which is ideologically sustained and not "real") as given, something to be worked within and not "on".
Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 23 June 2012 11:20:48 AM
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I believe it is an individual matter, of personality, and apparently -dare of say- of gender.
My observation is that all the identified females on this site -that I am aware of, or at least think that I am aware of- appear to converse rationally, reasonably and politely -as do a majority of males.
There are and have been however, a small number of males who I'm quite certain revelled in their anonymity, and were far more bombastic than they would be in person.
I think the use of full names would reduce the incidence of 'flaming' and 'trolling'.
It's a peculiarity that the other person who uses an abbreviation on this thread has an incidentally descriptive moniker.
I do tend I guess to be a little morose. I wonder if Belly... Apologies are no doubt in order, but your name inevitably invokes a certain mental picture.
When the internet began, we were urged to protect our identities with obscure email addresses.
That seems to be gradually fading, as people realise, as with a phone book, it's often handy to be able to be found.
Just a thought.
Cheers, peter grimley
Posted by Grim, Saturday, 23 June 2012 11:31:18 AM
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