'OK Rudd mucked it up,he did.'

Its a pity Belly that the PM would not humble herself a little for the sake of lives and admit that also. Her pigheadedness speaks a sermon in itself.

runner as you know I dislike Gillard.
You should no I feel sorry for you, and others here.
ALL are intent on ignoring the fact CONSERVATIVES are being bloody minded on this issue.
About 85% of us, both sides want an end to greens black mail.
It is in doc no power to fix this.

One of the absurd things about this is that so called ChristMass Island is only a few hundred clicks from Java.

Why the island isn't part of Indonesia is also absurd.

I read on WikiPedia that the incompetent, parasites in Canberra spent $AU400 million of tax payers money to install 800 beds on the isle. That's another good argument not to vote for either of the mainstream parties i.m.o.

Given there were also plans at one time to build a space port on the island one wonders if their are military facilities there as well? Hmmm .. maybe some guidance systems to track in a big one if we decide to let one off the chain and drive it into Jakarta? Thus, how far does our radar see, and how far does the Indo's radar see?

Given it is well known that there are lots of stateless people unwanted by Indonesia and desperate to get out and by any means necessary, why aren't there patrol boats in between waiting for them?

Thus, we are at least partially responsible for the disaster as we choose not be on duty and at the ready for the tragedies that we know are just waiting to happen.

But then, what else would you expect from scum who lock children up?

Dream on no answers will be found by such posts.
Fact is far too many do not agree with you.
Consider this, Malaysia/Indonesia are not asking these folk to enter their country's.
IF a regional solution came, both those country's too,would benefit as it became less likely such people would Transite in their country's.
IF human life matters more than politics more Liberals will join their brave member and out flank the Greens this week.
Labor should tell the Morris dancers we will implement the FULL HOWARD policy if they do not pass current two pronged plans.
In truth both party's should out flank the greens every time we can, or admit we fear them more than voter back lash

Otokonoko,
Would it not be far more desirable for people not to see the need for packing up & leaving ?
Apart of course from those who simply wish to live in different climate. Similar to my own situation. What is not similar is that I chose a country which had a background similar to mine. I did not choose to go to another country to live there & demand that that country bow to my every whim & try to change that country's culture. I did not come with an agenda to impose my religious views upon my hosts.
If people are so concerned about the boat peoples' plight then why not become involved in helping these people to rebuild their country instead of ruining this one ?
On one hand the do-gooders don't want coalition forces to bring down these dictatorships & on the other hand they're quite happy with having Australia being put under the same yoke of fanaticism.

Individual, that's exactly what I was alluding to. I took a fairly roundabout route to that allusion, though. As long as there are push factors driving people to want (or need) to leave their homelands, they're always going to go somewhere. Which is why I suggested that our government wasn't responsible for the deaths, though perhaps may have had a part to play in WHERE the deaths occurred.