I wonder if the dreamers, yes you too Anthonyve, will ever wake up that there is no viable low carbon technology as yet in existence. When it comes it will be because some smart company can make it's fortune out of it, not send us broke with required subsidies.

Solar cells are a joke where real power is concerned. Even Germany has woken up, & is reducing the huge subsidies given to them. Yes they have got cheaper. That was the sell off of stock as all the free world manufacturers went broke trying to make them. Even half a billion of US tax payers dollars, handed out by that fool dreamer Obama, could not keep just one company afloat.

Spain was Obama's dream economy, leading the world in alternative industries. Well I guess you may want to inflict Spain's woes on us, but, we're not falling for it mate. Having watched Spain spend billions on generating "Green" jobs, only to find each green job destroyed 2.2 real jobs, we have no desire to join Spain in bankruptcy.

Even the poms have woken up, & will stop covering the country with those fool windmills, thanks to a revolt by their back bench MPs.

The only people to have done well from wind are the Swedes. They get the wind power free from the Danes, who can't control it to put into their grid, & use it to pump water up hill. They then let the water run down hill, generating controlled power that they can feed into their grid.

I really hate how a belief in something can make intelligent people ignore all the facts.

I have this vision of Hasbeen - one last, lonely soul, standing alone, shouting at a green, energy efficient world, "It'll never woooorrrrrkkkk!!"
Meanwhile, the rest of us will be enjoying the myriad benefits that are - as we speak, er, write, being derived from green solutions, cost efficiently implemented and working well.
But don't give it up, Hasbeen. You will always have a valuable place - somewhere in a museum beside the leg bone of a dinosaur, an additional example of Evolution's occasional diversion down a blind alley.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

<< But don't give it up, Hasbeen. You will always have a valuable place - somewhere in a museum beside the leg bone of a dinosaur, an additional example of Evolution's occasional diversion down a blind alley. >>

Mwaa haaaahahahaaa!!

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Hasbeen, I don’t get it; you are apparently just so totally against any attempts to engender a greener and more sustainable future and an arch advocate for business-as-usual, including a continuation of the massive expansion of mining, and the continuous expansion of all economic activity, but you agree with me about the need to reduce population growth.

Well, if you are not interested in a sustainable future, then what’s your motivation for reducing pop growth?

Nice try Ludwig, but you know full well I support a ETS in favor of a permit to pollute, which is essentially what the carbon tax is.

At least if big business has to pay for credits, they may see the need to cut back.

But, nobody seems to recognize that polluters are only polluting to feed our demands.

Ludwig I am totally against bull sh1t. Peak oil is bull sh1t, as is the plastic story from Ant'y.

We have enough hydrocarbon fuel for hundreds of years. There is no shortage.

Why against coal. It is by far the cheapest & most sensible way to produce the power most depend on.

Then the plastics furphy. I mentioned some time back there is a whole range of plastic based on cellulose, which could replace hydrocarbon based plastic any time we want to. The only reason it hasn't is that the whole infrastructure of plastic raw material manufacture would have to be seriously modified.

Even this would be easy compared to getting a new material accepted by the public, when it is not required.

Don't forget that for almost 8 years, when living on & cruising, & working from my yacht, I had a lower carbon footprint than anyone you know. It was even lower than the average villager in PNG.

I used 6 Lbs of gas, & a couple of gallons of liquid fuel a month.

I am not wedded to the stuff, just anti the global warming fraud, & the other rubbish we are fed. Talk sense & fact, rather than garbage, & you'll find a quite different reception.

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On the mining thing, I won't mind at all to see a slow down in China put a brake on development there.

It really worries me that we have become so dependant on the foreign exchange earned by minerals, that we would be even worse off than Grease or Spain, if it were reduced greatly, particularly if the reduction were sudden.

It is the mining boom pushing the value of the dollar, that is destroying so much of the rest of our industry. The returns on farming are becoming so marginal that the risk is now outweighing the gain, unless you have reliable irrigation. Oz, that was built on dry land farming/grazing is loosing its farmers at an amazing rate.

So many of the industries I used to service with plastic raw materials are now gone, or become importers. It is just too expensive to manufacture with todays cost/wage structure.

With out the huge tonnage of exports, the ports & rail lines are probably not viable, so I think we are a bit like that dog chasing its tail. If we slow down, or let go, we will crash, in a very big way. Lets hope not.