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The true agendas of the Greens are not listed on their policy statements.

The Democratic Labor Party has been around for many decades. The ALP and the DLP used to be the same party. They parted company largely because the DLP recognised the communist agendas of the ALP and refused to work with them any more. I think we have all recently come to know that the ALP should be renamed the SLP (Slave Labor Party) or CNCP (Corporate Neo-Communist Party).

The Socialist Alliance, Australian Greens, Katter's Australian Party and the Democratic Labor Party are marching to the beat of the same drum in several ways, but the first 2 are communists trying to fool the people into believing they are Pro-Australia.
Posted by Lorikeet, Thursday, 7 June 2012 3:59:40 PM
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Lorikeet,

You say: "Australian Greens are communists trying to fool the people into believing they are Pro-Australia."

Lori, I take exception at the above comment. I am not a member of a political party that is out to 'fool' Australians. You generalised with "Greens are communists". How many Green members do you know, and how many have you spoken to in depth to determine they are "communist".
I have spoken with 100's of party members. I find the overwhelming majority to be progressive people committed to social justice. If being a progressive committed to social justice is being a communist, then I and the vast majority of Greens are communists.
I have refrained from attacking the DLP of 2012, although at 59 years of age I am well acquainted with the DLP of the 60's and 70's a party that did then 'fool' the Australian people as being 'democratic' and 'labour', labels far from reality. In fact the DLP then was noting more than a right wing neo-fascist party run by catholic lunatics obsessed with communism, which eventually brought about its downfall, seeing it vanish from the political radar. I had hoped the DLP of 2012 had 'come of age' and divested itself of illusions, the 'reds under the bed' rubbish. Am I expecting too much to think perhaps the leopard has changed its spots?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 June 2012 11:24:00 AM
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DreamOn,

At least in the short term of the political cycle I agree with what you say.
"susceptible (voters) to "political messages" contained within simplistic, emotional rhetoric." The good old scare campaign, its been extremely successful for the conservatives over and over again, for as long as I can remember, they just keep changing the simplistic message. but Australian have been 'well off' during those times and there has been no real need for voters to think greatly about policy, direction etc of political parties. I think in the longer term as peoples economic and social conditions change, and not always for the better, then voters develop e a need to become far more politically aware, politics then has a greater impact on their lives. The danger is if conditions move to the extreme then the extremists come to the fore, with simplistic emotional rhetoric, a more extreme scare campaign.

You say:
"Perhaps it would be worthwhile for the *Greens* and others to lace their policy based comments with a few secondary and tertiary streams of one liners, that peak the interest by addressing the needs and concerns of the electorate."

Could not agree more, the use of positive one liners is good and should be encouraged in politics.
In all the campaigns for the Greens I have worked one, our candidates are all very concerned to never be seen as running a negative campaign. Something they say over and over again at campaign meetings etc.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 June 2012 11:58:41 AM
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I have been acquainted with the Greens, including an executive member, and a very high profile person for around 8 years. I also know some Greens voters and members, who are lovely (but often misguided) people.

Most parties have various factions and even a few extremists. Most people who belong to various parties don't fully understand the agendas to which they are working. This includes a lot of those currently sitting in the parliament.

Very few seem to be aware of the undemocratic processes being inflicted on our nation, but luckily the general public are much more astute.
Posted by Lorikeet, Friday, 8 June 2012 12:40:38 PM
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Posted by Lorikeet, Friday, 8 June 2012 12:40:38 PM

" ... Most people who belong to various parties don't fully understand the agendas to which they are working. ... "

Well, go on then *Lori,* why not share some of your insights with us if you will?

..

" ... Very few seem to be aware of the undemocratic processes being inflicted on our nation, but luckily the general public are much more astute. ... "

I think *Pericles* would have a field day with that one.
<snicker, snicker>

but we wait with bated breath nonetheless ..
Posted by DreamOn, Friday, 8 June 2012 7:42:18 PM
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"Very few are aware of the undemocratic processes being inflicted on our nation, but luckily the general public are much more astute."

Ho, Ho, Ho..... : )
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 8 June 2012 8:18:12 PM
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