http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8469356/slipper-staffer-takes-allegations-to-court
First Davidf please understand we have the right to our opinions and thoughts.
Because mine differ from yours is not evidence I or you for that matter are right or wrong.
My link, in a thread hopelessly hopeful, highlights my reason to return here.
My love comes in my view from an understanding of my opponents true nature.
SUE ME! but this morning this country sees a worse LIE than AWB! than Children overboard!
Ashby's CONSTRUCTED CHARGES HAVE liberals FINGER PRINTS ALL OVER IT
Howard working away in the back ground can be proud of this,may even have part ownership of it.
So too the ALP, as it did in 1975, can take some credit.
ACTU conference looked good to me, some thing to be proud of,until Gillard high jacked it!
Calling the true believers to arms is a death sentence to LABOR.
She has disenchanted those who put us in power.
She can not win by ignoring that.
And we can not get to see true journalism highlight this Ashby CONSTRUCTION.
If Abbott, this morning went to prison, if Bronwyn Bishop took over.
Labor would not win.
Not until it understands truth indeed will do.
And that truth is Gillard has to go.
In time this Ashby construction will haunt Conservatives.
I Have never in my life seen a more scandalous action in Parliament, it stinks of constructed planed to avoid the right action, sexual discrimination court, as a tool for tea party Abbott.

FP72E, getting legislation through the house is only the approval stage, it's implementing the idea that labor has failed in do many times over, resulting I. Billions wasted, confidence shattered in many cases, even lives lost.

There is no shame in not know knowing how to implement an idea, the shame is in firstly, know knowing that and secondly, ignoring the advice of those who have expertise.

The whole problem stems from the fact that politicians are not finically accountable for their actions, because, unlike businesses, who face financial losses for bad implementation/descsions, pollies simply loose their job, or, like the former environment minister, simply get moved on to another portfolio.

I have long held the belief that all front bench portfolios should come with indemnity insurance, so if they get it horribly wrong, as with insulation, we, the tax payer don't foot the bill.

So as I am sure you can see, getting something through parliament is only like getting approval to build you house, not building it, as a poor builder can ruin what could have been a great house.

I trust this clarifies my position.

Belly wrote: “Because mine differ from yours is not evidence I or you for that matter are right or wrong.”

Agreed.

Unfortunately the love that proceeds from the hate of others is in my opinion not a reasonable love. I agree that the Ashby charges have Lib fingerprints. The Libs are dirty dogs, but that is not a good reason to love Labor. There is a bond among racists who share a prejudice. They can snigger together while they put down the Other. IMO a good love is one that comes from the qualities of the loved one not from a shared hatred. To love Labor because the Libs are horrible is not a reasonable love in my opinion.

There is an asymmetry between a labour party and a party of business. Capital is a hierarchical construct so those at the top or representing those at the top are valid representatives. However, the minute a worker becomes a union official he or she is management and not a worker. If union officials would return to the ranks of labour after their terms were up that would be a corrective. However, being a union official becomes a career sometimes leading to parliament.

I voted for Labor in the election that Keating was supposed to lose. I liked his honest gloating rather than the phony “I am humbled” that politicians usually say when elected. In my dictionary humbled means ‘decisively defeated’ or ‘brought down in power.’ Winners are not really humbled. Losers may be.

Then he spoiled it. He said, “It’s a victory for the true believers.” I am not a true believer except in the scientific method. I voted for the ALP since I thought they were better than the alternative.

I like rehctub’s differentiating between making the laws and implementing them.

Montesquieu thought there should be a separation of powers between a legislature whose function is to make the laws and an executive whose function is to implement those laws. I think Monty was right, and the Westminster system in combining the executive and legislative functions is wrong.

Dear David F.,

I agree with you that "the love that proceeds from the
hate of others," is not a love worthy of the name.
However, I don't believe that Belly's love of his
party is based on hatred of the Opposition. Anyway,
I shall leave him to answer your post. I was merely
surprised by your assumptions in this case.

David I know no other way to say this.
You are giving more weight to your opinions than mine.
You also infer a hate that I do not have.
Best use your own thoughts and words to prove your point not make mine for me.
I am retreating a little here, making room for other posters.
But look it must be said, my words, for over a year have expressed my fear and indeed dislike, for Gillard and her supporters.
But will we see,here, a good solid look at the scandal of Slipper, his being hidden in his party.
THE CONSTRUCTED SCANDAL.
Would we have any problem hearing about it if it was a Labor plot against Liberals?
If so very many grubby hands from Labor not Liberal could be found?
I fear for my country's future Abbott has murdered the fair go mate we once valued so much,for this I will not forgive him.

Interesting discussion - can one love such a thing as a political party?
I don't think I could.
But I am certainly passionate about a set of values; in fact, have been all my life.
Social justice; the idea that a society is best measured by how it treats the weakest amongst it; care for the environment; standing up to the strong who would bully the weak.
All those values I believe in with passion. They've guided me through a successful military and then a successful corporate career.
And those values do lead me to be somewhat passionate about the Labor movement; because I do believe that it best - of all the parties - aligns with the values that I happen to be passionate about.
Of course, that emotional attachment to the underlying values doesn't extend to any particular iteration that happens to be governing at the moment; especially when I come to question if that government - and maybe Labor at this stage of its long life - has moved away from the values.
I get that others have different values. And that will lead them to place their passion elsewhere.
I'm not sure - at least in my case - what name I would give that passion. Certainly not love, but quite a bit more than simply commitment.
When Patrick Henry said, "GIve me liberty or give me death", he must have been speaking from a place of deep passion.
Maybe we need some more words in our lexicon to describe this passion.
Or maybe there are words and I just don't know them.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au