The Gillard government has introduced two bills to parliament which if passed will supposedly better help deal with corrupt and derelict judicial officers. For some unknown but scandalous reason Fair Work Australia judicial officers have been exempted from the new laws.

http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2012/04/10/gillard-government-exempts-fair-work-australia-from-new-corrupt-judge-laws-why/

In the light of Labor's refusal to act to get competent action from FWA, and the sudden action by Shorten to suppress the alternate Tembe report, my assumption is that FWA is the preserve of Labor and the Unions, and that they need to be protected from scrutiny. I am interested to see what other explanations can be found.

Good luck SM, you will most likely get the usual brain washed labor puppet replies, as these people can see no fault in this terrible government.

I don't hold the government accountable, as much as I do the three independents.

After all, the government is simply out of it's depth.

But these ind are a disgrace to their respective electorates, continuing to support this government in the manner they do.

They have also tarnished the reputation of all forth coming and sitting independents for many years to come.

Just remember, someone on 200 grand plus a year, cares little about the effects of the world largest carbon tax, as to them, it's one less coffee a week, while to most, it's potentially unaffordable as almost everything will go up.

oh god o...
its going global

the first of many
http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2012/4/3/the-corporate-investigations-list-march-2012.html

dirt..[i got dirt]
these guys are busy too

1st amendment[ammended]
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=18636

CISPA Bill
To Remove Your 4th Amendment
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=18635

the world is rotten
10 corperations running a scam
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-10-corporations-control-almost-everything-you-buy-2012-4

the party system corrupt
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-presidents-new-rules-for-killing-people-with-drones-over-yemen-is-unbelievable-2012-4

i recall much more
at my news paper
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

but noted this
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/private-prison-corporations-are-slave.html

wunder how the states..will go here
[who' egsempted from that list]

how many states..allready got privatised prison aggrements?
are they egsempt?

whats with the 90 occupancy..for 20 years..[guarentee]
blackwater at it again?
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/26/war-table-backed-mercenaries-training-syria-terrorists-126981/

CIA KILLS US TROOPS
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/04/cia-kills-us-troops.html
Why would the CIA want to kill American soldiers and blame the killings on Moslems?http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30545

"To enrage American troops..
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/25/israel-military-chief-iran-not-pursuing-nuclear-weapon/

so that the slaughter continues".
http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/blog/60-minutes

BUT HOW..get rid of cash ecomony
or shut down anyone
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/04/23/obama-seizes-farmers-money/
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Russia_And_Mexico_Both_Buy_Nearly_%241_Billion_Worth_Of_Gold_In_March/19157/0/38/38/Y/M.html

little wonder
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57420551-93/who-owns-your-files-on-google-drive/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/9225370/Acta-treaty-unacceptable-says-European-Data-Protection-Service.html
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/10-facts-about-americas-energy.html

yes
we going to need HONEST JUDGES*
who can we trust?

i dont trust neither*

Ah say whoa thur! OUG, ah say whoa there whoa!

I find your posts a constant source of entertainment, information and a great deal of work. Have you any idea how long it takes to follow all your links?

You need to start by first providing a synopsis of your point for comprehension and context, we can then follow your links for subsequent validation.

Is that OK with you? I’d hate to miss out on some of your gems but your posts are approaching post graduate assignments. Keep up the good work and may the force be with you.

SM and rehctub, if you haven’t already read it, James Delingpole has a new book, “Watermelons: Green Movements True Colors”, it answers all your questions. (It’s also on special from Amazon for Kindle for $9.95)

I don’t particularly enjoy his writing style, a bit too sarcastic for my liking, or should I say a bit too much like my own style? That said it is a great piece of investigative journalism the like of which our own Scab MSM don’t have the bottle for.

It is in many ways a depressing read for both the left and right of politics. The left because they are “sprung” and the newly sensitized electorates will from now on see right through the spin, voter sentiments will never be the same again.

The right will be depressed because they never imagined just how much progress socialism has made through stealth.

The short answer to your questions is “socialization”. Don’t be too upset, just sit back and watch as the left eats its own.

Popcorn anyone?

Spindoc,

I don't share your optimism that many voters read.

FWA is an independent of govt; body. By making FWA accountable to govt; would not be in the interests of independent.
Judges are sometimes seen as being to lenient, in their judgments, which is not a good look in the eyes of the public. Without an explanation being given for their decisions, there is nowhere for people to comprehend decisions.
The article would have been better served by not implying something dodgy about it, which lessons the impact.

FWA is an independent of govt; body.

? It is ? !

Yeh, your right SM, I'm not even sure I share my own optimism. Sad isn't it?

What happenned to Australians? when did we lose the sense of fair play, optimism, joy of life, fun, skepticism and hey, it's only life?

Now it's all drudge, misery, apocolyptic outcomes,whinging, Australia owes me a living, when are you going to pay for me to do nothing and if you don't agree with me you should be put down?

579, take another tablet, get a life, get an education, learn to read, learn comprehension, love your mother/father, toss out your malignant inhibitions, stop feeding of other peoples opinions, develop your own perspectives and most of all, find yourself.

You are the saddest specimen on OLO, desperate for recognition, desperate for love, acknowledgement, recognition and engagement. What has the world done to you to make you so disengaged? If my generation was in any way responsible I’m truly sorry. Get over it, move on and get with the program.

Well you have a crowd Shadow Minister, and in truth I can find no reason for the exclusion!
How about that!
Seems silly to me defending my side no matter what.
Unlike the Gentle man from Menzies house and your self.
OUG no,did not read the links, so not sure what it is all about.
Rechtub! never hard to find a confrontation with me after a post like that!
I am not defending myself, let your description be for me.
Wearing the bib and brace over alls gum boots and straw hat at the time?
Glass houses champ! ok

Dear Belly, for once, just for once, can you please, please, stick with the issues?

I know for sure that there is a real intellect behind your quasi intellectual posts. You insist in your self deprecating posts that you present as simply “I’m just an old style trade unionist”, a “lollypop man”, a “rusted on Union (but not necessarily ALP) supporter”. But this is a “sitting on the fence” excuse for “I don’t have a clue as to whom or what you are now”, or “I can’t find my way out of this impasse”.

At one stage in your life you knew EXACTLY who and what you were. Where have your dedicated, unconditional and ideological values gone? Everything you post is a compromise of all the things you previously held precious. Where has the real Belly gone?

Stop pretending. You see everything as a form of confrontation, a class war, an ideological conflict. Belly, it is none of these; it is just life’s experiences reflected in attitude and values. Why have you lost these values?

There is nothing I detest more than those who compromise their values in order to maintain self or public image. You are compromising everything you hold dear, every value you have ever promoted and lovingly supported. Why do you do this? You do this because that which you have always supported is shi**ing on you?

I’m sorry to be the one to remind you of your decline, but it needs to be said. The time for reality is NOW. I will always respect, support and endorse your right to be passionate for your beliefs, but you need to get behind your own passion otherwise the support you enjoy from others will dissipate.

Spin doc I am what I am, and unlikely to ever think as much of you, as you do.
A spin Doctor you like Abbott, try as hard as possible to move the target/subject after the dart leaves the hand.
Rest assured I can refrain from shifting truth, and from telling it, to such as you.
Our last verbal confrontation lead to you insulting in a child like way and stamping your feet on the way out.
Do not defame ALP voters with your view we are all MANUAL LABORERS.
If my IQ is not 5 points above yours, I should be wandering the paddock over the road feeding on grass with the other cattle.
SM I can only say no union HSU or any, no judge ,should be free to commit a crime in any court.
So in effect,as my first post said I agree.

Barry spin doc, here is a truth.
Good trade unionists, good ALP members and supporters are different than your team.
66 years, feeling about 30 recent health issues still around but controlled.
Sorry got to first paragraph of your post,hot and bothered posted.
But maintaining good habits ,then went back and reviewed it,bit like stepping out side and running under the recycled water hose for a shower.
A lifetime of looking at the power and privilege policy's of your tribe.
It drives me, every single day, on the other benches, but no less danger to middle Australia, the equally lost left, trys every trick in the book.
To take Labor back to a past that never can deliver victory.
Writing slow now,keeping up?
2007 Kevin 07 I remember that day,its promises its brilliant night.
See I have good vision, I see that wasted effort, see my party in the hands of a few idiots,I want a return to 2007.
Not LATHAM night!
My total loyalty to my party comes at a price.
I reserve the right to question idiots, to remind my party it got it wrong Rudd should be there still.
I say again the egos holding Gillard up are traitors.
I however understand your confusion.
I know Liberals never question their party,never question its policy's.
Just blindly line up to wait in line to be milked.
That Barry divides us, I want better every day from my party the only party, EVER to deliver real change in this country.
Get into me bloke, but leave the sleazy middle class put downs.

Belly,

The last year or so has been all about Labor, there has been no focus on the coalition. Tony doesn't have to do anything but watch Labor tear itself apart.

I was angry when Gillard managed to put together a minority government with the help of the sell outs Windsor and Oakeshott. However, as Juliar proceeds to trash the Labor brand, I can see that voters may vote labor out of power for 3 or 4 terms, with Abbott as PM for 10+ years.

All I can say is that I feel pity for all the Labor tragics that I guess now feel betrayed.

Sorry Belly but IMHO your response is pathetic. It does however serve to highlight precisely the point we have previously discussed, which is that those founded on ideology respond with emotion.

You kicked off half cocked with an emotive response to what you thought was a challenge to your values. Then you realised that it was a challenge to you to SUPPORT your values. Then you had to backtrack with “Sorry got to first paragraph of your post, hot and bothered posted”.

Your posts again fail to respond to the issues presented, you drift off into a hazy bubble of past ideological glory and fail to see that the failure of your beloved party is due to your own apathy and the apathy of other lifetime supporters.

The ALP and the Trade Union image has been utterly trashed because not one of you reacted to prevent it when it was being high jacked. Now you are left with a movement that you do not recognize, it does not recognize you, you no longer have any influence but you believe it when it tells you that you matter, you don’t.

You were all very happy to see the ACTU and its affiliates drive the ALP into power, now you are all getting the Bill. Pay up and stop bleating because the rest of Australia, our children and our grandchildren will be paying for a very long time, thanks very much.

can i join two conspiricies together?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5090&page=0

dont sweat on it mr bell
thats how the game is played[we dont use thugs no more]

heck belly the movie rights!
the old union guy..fixing things..with the yungians

Shadow Minister your last post was quite good I would be a lie teller if I did not agree with the betrayal part.
Both union HSU, and party ALP.
Both have ground to make up,HSU should Be disbanded forever, ALP, one day AG after her, we will rebuild ON the broken promises of Liberals. after the defeat.
Spin doc always! unimpressed with you and your views.
You are the reason,a hundred thousand like you, I fly the ALP fag the southern cross boxing kangaroo.
And always will.
Sorry but I never will place any value on you or your thoughts.
ALP Federal parliamentarians.
KNOW my words are those of many, no more slugs from failing unions, no more dumping leaders then saying it was the polls.
No more ignoring if it was a raffle and you Friend bought every ticket she could never win.
No more feeding such as spin doc on the entrails of my party.

Belly, your appeal for sympathy from SM is nauseating. I can’t speak for SM’s intentions but he does seem to offer you some balance. Fawning over such a crumb of sympathy is confirmation of your pain and desperation. You’ll get much more recognition if you show even the slightest hint of reality.

The ACTU and ALP are desperate to chop off the infected arm of the HSU, hence Bill Shortens position. He only wants to get the focus away from the rest of the cancerous Trade Union movement. Does BS really believe that the ONLY corrupt part of the entire union movement is the HSU?

More importantly does he really think that the electorates think the HSU is a one off?

Do you really believe that the ALP will << rebuild on the broken promises of Liberals. after the defeat >>? Belly, the next ALP PM isn’t born yet.

Do you think that I’m just one of << a hundred thousand like>> me? Is that how you regard the 72% of Australians that will not vote for the ALP on current polling?

<< No more feeding such as spin doc on the entrails of my party >>

Belly you have absolutely no choice. All that remains of your beloved party now is entrails. You make it sound like it someone else’s fault, WRONG, it was yours and people like you who allowed through inaction, the total acquisition of the long gone ALP by another entity. An entity you do not recognize, it does not recognize you, an entity that has trodden upon the ALP values, traditions, people and hero’s of the movement you cherish so dearly.

I find it absolutely incredible, that would have the audacity to post on OLO that you see non-ALP supporter as the problem.

When you and your jelly back friends get down to Sussex Street and sort out the real culprits rather than poke us in the eye you might get some respect. Shame on you Belly, this is the only place left where you can salvage some respect, don’t burn your last bridges

For the sake of OLO I will refrain from answering you.
If ever we meet please introduce your self.
Sticks and stones you know.

Belly Spindoc,

Presently the ALP has lost its way. The old foundations based on the unions has meant that it has largely lost its relevance. As the country has moved from "the workers" at the coal face to gen X type job hopping self promoting workers, the unions have lost most of their influence, and while over represented in the labor party are our of touch with the young aspirational voters of today.

Australia still retains a socialist vein, which the anti work choices campaign exploited successfully, however, faced with the choice of a bumbling out of date Labor, a hard left lunatic fringe Greens, or an aspirational liberals, the "workers" of today go with the liberals.

Labor as it is constructed now is withering and destined for the wilderness for decades, and the Greens being the alternative are unsuitable for any form of government. However, a "new Labor" reinvented and free of the unions might well pose a strong threat to the coalition.

This thread is about labor entrenching and protecting the existing out dated union structures in law, and the status quo. Until this changes Labor risks becoming a fringe party.

Belly, this is Trade Union business, no sticks and stones, just SHOVELS!

Decades, wilderness, irrelevant. Somewhat premature. What does Abbott stand for, only an idiot would vote for a party without policies and accounts.
Put a radical into power, and your predictions of 10 + years could become 3 to 4.
Australian economy is in good shape, low unemployment, coalition are demons for taking money from education and hospitals.
Kennett was supposed to be there for 30+ years. And shocked him into depression when he got voted out.
Balieu is at it now, they just can't help them-self. There was a permanent order for one rail carriage / month.,now there is not enough trains.
So be careful what you wish for, it could do more harm than good

Shadow Minister you are well aware I am union to the boot straps.
And that I detest the true left.
No way around it the end of noncomposlory unionism caught even my life time one out.
Haveing to actually work, recruit and serve, bought some to their knees.
I found out early, and bright persons will, the left was an anchor, still is.
So I can be both unionist and ALP a lover of both.
And yes I understand Labor IS the CHILD of Unionism.
Past unionism.
Left extremist unions, still want a socialist class war fare,I spent much time fighting them, on the ground, and won.
So believe it or not, Labor must forever, stop giving union members half the seats in conference or die.
Unions, not mine it is a daily truth, evolve, must grow, understand it is the best interests of the members they must seek.
any worth while union, must be free to go to any government with clean hands, to try to get a result for its membership.
Yes if it is constantly turned away react,but yes, hurts, my party's polices, trying to ignore cash for clunkers.
Boat people, mostly are well balanced,but our behavior,our inability to even explain to our members and the nation.
WHY IS Gillard still there?
I know we will reform,grow, the greens will die,but it maybe in 20 years, unless we start now.
Any Liberal government is a tragedy for me,
Your mate Abbott? aliveing horror film for our country.
Yet IF, he could be our best recruiter ever as PM.