There are two protagonists in this political battle, one will win the next election and provide the PM, and the other will not. I know where I would put my money.

Lexi and SM, I consider you both to be very good OLO mates with whom I share a lot of common ground. But surely the important point here is which leader would be better for the country.

I can’t see that either Abbott or whatshisname? er, Turnbull, would have a clear lead in this department.

The only leader who could do so would be Bob Carr!!

So until the Libs can get their heads around the concept of a sustainable, stable-population, resource-demand-equals-resource-supply-capability-in-an-ongoing-manner society, the argument between Abbott and Turnbull is entirely MOOT!

As I’ve said previously on this thread, Turnbull could potentially be really good or he could be really bad. I think Abbott would most likely be pretty bad, with much of the same old same old approach. No signs of him being particularly good at all.

The sooner Carr becomes PM, the better. Then maybe the Libs will be dragged kicking and screaming into a competition to actually be the better manager of this country, instead of the same old continuous growth crapload. And we’ll finally be on the right track towards a healthy future.

I'd have to favour Turnbull in this situation.

I wonder what you think about this, Lexi and Shadow Minister?

Dear Ludwig,

You've raised some valid points.

And I agree that the contest for the Prime Ministership
between Malcolm Turnbull and Bob Carr would be a
very interesting historical moment.

It appears obvious that the Labor right-wing looked
into the future and arranged for Bob Carr to step into
the Ministery - giving him enough time to prepare
and possibly step up into the Labor leadership.

As for Tony Abbott - I personally feel that his days are
numbered. And it is time that the Liberal Party realised
just how polarising a figure the man really is.
Against Bob Carr - he wouldn't stand a chance.

Posted by Belly:
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Some find it hard to be part of humanity.
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Not at all. In fact, I care more about people than you think!

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But RM you wait to see some starve?
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Yes! Those parasites that would take money from those least able to afford it to enrich themselves. Those that contribute nothing to society but take! I would love to see them do more than starve!

Raw Mustard swapping verbal shots at each other is of little use.
Lets agree we do not like each other.
From your first post I found we never would.
I have been hungry very much so.
And in truth would give my last feed away rather than see someone starve.
And those you want to see starve?
In my view are likely to be at least your equal.
The time it took to respond highlights this.
You come and post, only some times reading others contributions
Best read every new comment before posting ,be informed.
Hasbeen, thankfully you are not average in your views,on your side of politics.
Abbott will NEVER be Prime Minister.
His decline will be dramatic.

Raw Mustard you say:

Yes! Those parasites that would take money from those least able to afford it to enrich themselves. Those that contribute nothing to society but take! I would love to see them do more than starve!

Are you talking about the Big Banks? Sounds like them.