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So hands up who thinks we still don't have a problem

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wages for apprenticeships are horribly low.
Anthonyve,
So is their productivity, it's all relevant. You'll also find that rehctub is alluding to the fact that apprenticeship pay is way lower than some of the quick-buck jobs with not much future other than those workers becoming a burden for the taxpayer later in life.
Someone who completes an apprenticeship is almost certainly a person with a purpose for life.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 7:53:04 PM
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This is where I think that the education system can really play a
role. One really good teacher, explaining things in the right way,
could make a huge difference to a kid's future.

Lets face it, when I was 15 and 16, we were more interested to
figure out how to get our hand up a girl's skirt, then about future
careers etc. Most of what we were told, we took no notice of. But
some things did stick.

Now if at that stage in life, we'd had a teacher who went through
various life outcomes, in say Dollar terms, we would have sat up
and taken notice. Become an accountant, this is where you are
likely to land up in 25 years. Become an electrician, these will
become your options in 25 years and this is what you will earn.
Become a know nothing and this is what you will have to accept,
along with these crappy jobs. etc.

Some parents do this stuff but a great many don't. But it might
get kids thinking about their futures and change some lives if
it happened at schools.

For the sake of an hour of their time at school, I think it would
be a worthwhile investment.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 8:19:57 PM
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But it might get kids thinking about their futures and change some lives if
it happened at schools.
Yabby,
Saturation evidence has proved that teachers are an abject failure in this. Anthonyve even admits that teachers are literally impotent at policy change because educrats are outwitting them. So, it's pointless to look at teachers for support.
A 2-year non-military National Service is the closest to a perfect solution for this.
We do not need to drum in individual rights, that comes naturally. What we need to drum in is individual responsibility.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 3:23:04 AM
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Yabby, although what you suggest has some relevance, it simply won't work.

When I was 16, an electrician and a butcher were on much the same wage, some 30+ years latter, a butchers wage is $22 per hour, whereas an electrician is more like $45.

Now in the real world, a butcher earns about $1000 to $1200 per week, overtime included, whereas an electrician, working the same amount of hours earns about $2500.

This has all been driven by mining, as any trade wanted by miners, leads to increased competition in the local market.

A regular mechanic (petrol cars) is on about $25 per hour as they are not wanted in the mines, whereas a desiel mechanic is on more like $50 per hour as they are in high demand by miners.

It is this very reason why I believe a levy on mining payrolls, used to subsidize non mining wages would be a better option than the proposed mining tax.

Unfortunately, labor's motive for the tax is to replace the billions they have wasted.

The emerging problem is that non mining business is running out of steam and, if this is not addressed, sooner rather than latter, it may well be game over.

I would hate to be a teacher trying to predict the future for the next 25 years, as we will most likely have next to no retail/manufacturing/aguculture left and the full effects of the proposed mining tax, along with the worlds largest carbon tax would have been felt by the mining industry.

Interesting times ahead, hardly a time for playing ruelet with our fragile economy.

But what would we know.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 6:47:37 AM
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