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Kevin Rudd's Leadership Tactics.

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I have been riveted by the ongoing Rudd-Gillard saga since the infamous knifing in 2010. The crescendo seems to have been reached. Will the vengeful Mr. Rudd swing the caucus numbers in his favour, or will he be silently smacked and made to run off with his tail between his legs?

The media that I have been reading in the last couple of days has Labor frontbenchers soiling Mr. Rudd's image, seemingly in an attempt to discredit him as a viable option in the minds of voters. It is said he is still a popular Labor option because the public doesn't understand why he was ousted in 2010. These attempts by Mr. Crean and Mr. Swan obviously seek to clarify this. All-in-all I personally do not think it will dampen Rudd's popularity with the voters.

Now the options. News has been written and Commentators have commented. With Mr. Rudd's resignation from the Foreign portfolio this morning, it is said he is in the process of lobbying the caucus and independents for support for a takeover. This is in the face of speculation that Gillard will call for a leadership ballot this afternoon in Adelaide. The ballot seems to be called to allow Julia to defeat K-Rudd while she has the numbers. This seems the likely route.

Another commentator has suggested that Rudd will play the Keating card, whereby he will sit on the backbench, wait for another Gillard gaff, and then challenge and get the top job after Gillard is beyond redemption.

If all the Labor reports are true, that K-Rudd has weak caucus support and Julia is in a strong position, whereby no Rudd challenge will end with her defeat, is there another Avenue? Maybe. What if Rudd acknowledges he will never lead the party again, and sits in the back-bench, and if he still wants to poison gillard and get back his own, he vouches support for Abbott. Then Abbott will have the numbers and Julia is relegated to the political scrap-heap.

Whatever the outcome I am watching with anticipation.
Posted by Cam_Kiely24, Thursday, 23 February 2012 9:45:29 AM
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I would assume that those of us who are interested in
politics are all watching with anticipation - as events
unfold. And one thing is clear - none of us really knows
what's around the corner. We've had the usual suspects
coming up with their versions and speculations about
who should do what to whom, who's the most popular in
the polls, and what's going to happen next. It seems to
be a number game - but then I guess it always was in
Canberra. Will there be a challenge on Monday? What will
the Labor Caucus decide? Will Labor unite for the good
of the Party? Who will the Independents and Greens support
if there is a challenge? Will there be more than one
challenger?

It's fun speculating - but who do we really want as PM?
And more to the point - who cares what we think anyway?
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 23 February 2012 12:41:36 PM
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Lexi asks

Who will the Independents and Greens support
if there is a challenge? Will there be more than one
challenger?

Whoever will give them power. The only ones more deceitful than the Government are the Independents that failed to represent their electorates. They have shown to be nothing but sleazy. Very disappointing for those who believed that somehow they were for open and accountable Government. Thankfully they will be gone soon.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 23 February 2012 1:48:33 PM
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If Gillard wins there will be another challenge,from another challenger or Kevin once more.
Picture Tuesday morning.
Gillard has won, defeated a man who outside caucus is double her vote.
ALP would be road kill, truck killing them? ALP caucus!
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 23 February 2012 2:59:23 PM
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No egotist will ever put the needs of the country before their own.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:24:32 PM
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Belly for once I could not agree with you more hence I hope Gillard wins.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:37:03 PM
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Rudd is another sufferer of Howard's disease, where he puts his own personal egocentric interests above those of both his party and the country. Abbott is no better in this regard.

This is yet another example of 21st century Populist Politics and another nail in the coffin of sensible public administration.
Posted by wobbles, Thursday, 23 February 2012 7:05:09 PM
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wobbles there is far to much of that around.

It's been highlighted for me by Bligh's tactic on the one hand of loudly proclaiming how bad it would be for Qld if the LNP win and CanDo does not win a seat whilst at the same time fighting hard to ensure that he does not win the seat in an election her party is likely to loose.

If it really would be so bad for Qld to have the LNP in power without CanDo then Bligh should do everything in her power to get him elected in that seat. Personally I think it's just tactics on her part but it's a tactic that openly proclaims that she cares more about power than what she considers good for Qld.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 23 February 2012 7:14:09 PM
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The ALP lost its direction in this country years ago. The party no longer represents the 'Ordinary Australian' I don't know what it represents, its become an appendage of conservatism. Labor has hit the self destruct button at all levels of government. The cause of this harm is Labors lack of any clear direction or philosophy, a party of factions dominated by the right. What is going on in Federal Labor at the moment is nothing more than some trying to 'rearrange the deck chairs', doomed to failure whatever the outcome.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 23 February 2012 7:34:08 PM
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We need a new political party of Libertarians that don't take donations from large corporate interests and a proper constitution that the USA used to have.

Labor deserve to rot in their own cesspool of deception amd corruption.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 24 February 2012 6:24:57 AM
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Arjay, such a party exists its called The Greens. I have held long membership in both The Greens and previously the ALP and I know which is the more honest of the two. Not all agree with Green policies but they are there for all to see, we don't hide anything. Never have and never will "take donations from large corporate interest". The thing I like about The Greens is the grass roots democracy of the party, in my years in the ALP it never existed, policy was always controlled by a few, with the helping of vested interests. I must say I found more in common with some Liberal Party members than some of my own people, some from the right of the ALP were boarder line Nazi. I call them the Catholic Clique. For example at the last NSW election I spoke at length with a Labor candidate for the LC, I walked away thing "I hope Pauline Hanson get up before this Drongo." Fortunately he lost, lucky us.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 24 February 2012 7:11:25 AM
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Belly, on another thread I asked for an explanation of labour left
labour right, the factions etc. Did you see it ?
Something Rudd said suggested he was not of any faction.
Is that true ?

Going on Sunday ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 24 February 2012 10:02:12 AM
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Since the Labor mob are busy this week back stabbing and in fighting with each other, instead of doing the job they were elected to do, is there any chance they will return this weeks pay packet back to the tax payers. Certainly not earning it. LOL.
Bazz I think Rudd is a member of the Rudd faction, easy to identify they try their best to look like charters from South Park, they wear tee shirts with the words "I Hate Julia" printed front and back. .
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 24 February 2012 10:25:04 AM
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Belly you said "If Gillard wins there will be another challenge,from another challenger" I understand there was to be a third contestant, he would have been a lay-down misere against Gillard and Rudd. Unfortunate Bozo the Clown is an 'unfinancial' ALP member, bars him from running this time, but I think he will be plotting and scheming for a go next round.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 24 February 2012 10:42:19 AM
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Donation? What donation?

>>We need a new political party of Libertarians that don't take donations from large corporate interests<<

>>Arjay, such a party exists its called The Greens<<

Where does the $1.68 million donation from Graeme Wood fit in with that view, Paul1405?

>>Not all agree with Green policies but they are there for all to see, we don't hide anything. Never have and never will "take donations from large corporate interest"<<

One has to assume that a large donation from a small corporate interest is somehow far less corrupting than a small donation from a large corporate.

Typical Green doublethink.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 24 February 2012 10:48:10 AM
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Posted by GrahamY, Friday, 24 February 2012 2:21:26 PM
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There are three sorts of political donations.

The first is that which attempts to influence.

The second is that which is to support policy already in play or general party ideology.

The third is a bet each way (banks and some corporates).

Many in the Greens did question the Wood donation and rightly so, but they do remain the only party committed to electoral reform on this issue.

http://www.thepowerindex.com.au/opinion/greens-ask-if-million-dollar-donation-was-worth-the-trouble
Posted by pelican, Saturday, 25 February 2012 7:22:03 AM
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The only thing different about this tussle is that it's been dragged out into the open and turned into a media event.

This sort of thing usually happens behind closed doors away from the public gaze and one would have to be somewhat naive to thing it doesn't happen all the time - and on both sides.

Too many journalists with too few interesting local stories to chase, all trying to out-sensationalise each other.
Posted by rache, Saturday, 25 February 2012 8:50:18 AM
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Pericles, I agree with Pelican as to the forms donations to political parties take. Most donations, certainly all of the small ones, fall into the category of supporting policy or ideology, there is no problem with that just a part of a democratic society.
The dangerous donations are those that seek to influence policy and in the longer term law. The bet each way donations also may seek to do likewise, but the donor is making sure he backs a winner. By nature to influence, a donation has to be large, otherwise you defeat the purpose. This brings into question all large donations to political parties, be they from a corporation or an individual. However, simply because a donation is large does not exclude it from being for the good purpose of supporting policy or ideology. Then again a large donation could be for both a good and bad purpose, on one hand supporting policy and ideology and then on the other attempting to influence.
I believe on carful analyst the large private donation by Graeme Wood to The Greens passed the test for good donations and the money was put to proper use by the party. Senator Rhiannon expressed her concerns about the donation and rightly so, such donations must be treated with suspicion and carefully analysed at all times. As far as The Greens are concerned Rupert can keep his cheque book in his pocket. LOL
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 February 2012 4:28:26 PM
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