Butch wants the wages of the underclass to drop, as he says his future depends on it. He has a vested interest. There is no such thing as unskilled, some are more trained than others. Butch thinks that people in business have the god given right to get rich. No matter of their own ability to run a business.

579 I'll have you know Jamie Packer and Lochlan Murdoch both worked very hard to become billionaires. They took night jobs at Pizza Hut just to earn extra cash so they wouldn't be run of the mill millionaires, like the rest of us. Then you have the billionaire Tiger Woods, who made his money hitting a little white ball around a big green paddock, the majority of us are in the wrong game, we should give up our day jobs and start hitting balls around paddocks. We would then become so over productive that everyone would become a billionaire. The Queen of England had to sit on the throne for 60 years (please someone give the poor woman a laxative) before she become a billionaire. Do you know how skilled throne sitting is? Whats more Liz had to beat hundreds of applicants just to get the job in the first place. If none of these methods result in making you a billionaire then there is always Monopoly, get hotels on Mayfair and Park Lane and presto instant billionaire. The Monopoly game makes billionaires, just ask the Parker brothers.

When my father died I thought I would become a billionaire through inheritance, after all the old man had worked hard in a factory for 48 years, yes 48 years with the one employer, I thought his job must have been some kind of tax dodge and the billions were stashed in the biscuit tin he kept under the bed. Alas, to my surprise when he died and I opened the tin all what was in it was a picture of Phar Lap, an old newspaper clipping about Don Bradman and a few family pics, shock horror no billions. I think if ball hitting and throne sitting makes you a billionaire, surely working hard, day in day out, for 48 years would achieve the same result, well if not billions maybe millions, something better that a couple of old pics and a newspaper clipping, it seems not.

579, you can be in denial as long as you like, but the reality is, we have the highest low skilled wages in the world and, combined with interest rates some four fold, plus the high dollar, the future is bleak.

It stands to reason that if a cleaner can earn up to $40 per hour, then why both with a trade.

Meanwhile, the government goes around in circles wondering why we have no skills, this is why.

Also, the likes of cleaning has to be done, 24/7, yet, if one chooses a trade, they often don't get to work out of hours, so in essense, they net less than the weekend cleaner.

Now one point you either choose to ignore, or, you just won't accept, is that if we continue to burden business with welfare responsibilities, then businesses will fail.

Now as for a business making money, why shouldn't it.

Now I Agee that if the owner has no expertise or experience, then sure, they don't have a given right to succeed, however, if they are experienced, then of cause they should make more than the workers, because they are taking all the risks.

Finally, just on professional sport.

One factor mist don't recognize is the amount of effort that goes in to practice.

If you are a golfer, try hitting up to 1000 balls a day, then, try playing in up to 35 deg + heat.

While it may look cruisy, it ain't.

Are you still in denial 579.

Thousands of jobs on the line, the banks and qantas are just two.

Now if this is as you say ' in good shape', I shutter to think what your definition of bad shape would be.

We still have the carbon tax to come yet, then there is the threat of the NBN making outsourcing of IT work to the likes of India that much easier.

Wake up and smell the roses.

This government stinks!

Butch it's persons like you that continually talk down the economy of AU that do harm.
The latest job figures an extra 46,000 in employment.
Quit ya belly aching, and leave the economy to the govt;