Am I the only one who has noticed a striking similarity between the ideas of the euro, & global warming?

Great minds, [or perhaps huge egos] conceived these ideas/theories. These egos became self-appointed experts.

The ideas are simple, & easily promoted, common currency good, CO2 bad.

Millions of folk accepted the ideas, without ever understanding, or
even trying to understand them.

Smarties jumped on the band wagon, which quickly became a gravy train.
Terrified politicians, who could not understand any of it, decided they could not buck these experts, & passed legislation, with no real idea of the ultimate effect the new laws would have.

Wiser heads started to see through the whole catastrophe, & force reevaluation, but the fight will be long, requiring as it does, large egos admitting errors.

We peasants will be paying for the stupidity of the elites for decades.

So now the EU & the world bank want the rest of the world, us, to pay for their excesses. Well no thanks, & Julia had better be bl00dy careful too. We have no desire to help her into the UN halls of power.

If they want to save the store now the inocent, but dumb, will be the ones to pay. They may just have to sell themselves out of it. That should work. I've got A$20,000 for a nice house on a Greek island, or the coast of Spain. That would give a little foreign exchange, if enough will buy. When you make bad investment choices, you have to take a hit some time.

Those who invested their career in global warming are fighting like hell to hold onto them. Same thing fellers, you rode the wrong horse, no reason you should not walk for the rest of your life.

Both groups need to get over it, & get out of the way.

The flaw in the argument that AGW came along just in time to help with the European financial problem ignores the fact that the climate research has been going on for decades and what is happening today is as was predicted over 30 years ago.

If financiers could have predicted they would be able to use this as an excuse years before the Euro collapse happened, they could have avoided the collapse and even the creation of the Euro itself.

If taxing greenhouse gasses is just a good financial scam, they would have held it back until times were better and public resistance would be at its lowest.

In truth I find no link.
I also am truly stunned at the thread and find it impossible to consider the proposition.
The EU/America western world got drunk on spending money they did not have.
On greed and profit.
Even selling things of no worth ,those derivatives.
Some European country's, hooked on growth, forgetting growth equals debt, take Ireland, became walking wounded, self inflicted wounds.
Alas, even now, the proposed bail out from the world monetary fund, if fully subscribed, will just put more debt on an already unplayable bill.
Current state of world finances is far too important, far too big a CRISIS to burden discussions about it,with such as this.

Rache & Belly,

Hasbeen never suggested a causative link between the two.
His suggestion was that some people in power made decisions that has
locked them into positions that are now unable to climb down from
without tremendous "Loss of Face".

Two different unrelated decisions have generated difficult positions.

The Euro is that a common currency cannot accommodate 17 different
economic policies and financial policies.

AGW policies are suffering because the real world temperature records
are showing trends lower than the lowest of the three IPCC projections.
The related carbon tax, being the wrong tax at the wrong time is the
other example of too much political capital invested in the wrong policy.

That is what I believe Hasbeen was saying.

Bazz, you say: "Hasbeen never suggested a causative link between the two."

Yes he did: "We peasants will be paying for the stupidity of the elites for decades." (sic)

@ "AGW policies are suffering because the real world temperature records
are showing trends lower than the lowest of the three IPCC projections."

Bazz, you continually conflate short term (natural) variation with long term trends. I don't understand why you do this but do it you do - it does not help.

@ "policy", there will never be a 'good' or 'right' time to adopt it given the long term consequences of not adopting it - the political election cycle can't deal with it. That is why the planet (in this 'globalised' world) needs extraordinary leaders to really lead - we have very few.

Bonmot, your comment is illogical.
You said;
Yes he did: "We peasants will be paying for the stupidity of the elites for decades." (sic)

That is not a causitive link. It is just a comment on different decisions.

You said;
Bazz, you continually conflate short term (natural) variation with
long term trends. I don't understand why you do this but do it you do
- it does not help.

Continually ? When ?
12 to 14 years is not very short term. It shows no sign of imminent
turn up. It may be showing signs of a mini ice age some say.
I don't think anyone knows which way it will turn.
Even the AGW experts state that they do not understand the pause.

You said;
@ "policy", there will never be a 'good' or 'right' time to adopt it given the long term consequences of not adopting it

First to implement the required changes, you need to survive the
immediate time and faulty policies with enough resources and economy
to do the required work.

You forget that I was originally pointing out someone else's misinterpretation of Hasbeen's post.