its futile to correct delusioned opinion
like the rash quote...[""30 years"]

yep in the 70's thatcher wanted to kill big coal unions
so came up with global COOLING*...in time they found it wasnt cooling
but warming[when we had the ozone hole]...remember

then warming became change
global cooling..global warming...climate change
as each stride attempted to get advantages..get govt subsidy

well the money is gone..only the debt remains
but it wasnt till govt BAILED OUT THE MONEY CHANGERS
that the govt debt got too huge..

today we lend...to repay back fraud lending
that is ctiominal; debt..[odious debt]..and odious debt m,eabns you loose that you colludede to gain

so ya spent and lent
then the poor pay the rent

the con merchants got their govt cash
well its tinme THEY and the elites were mADE TO PAY THE RENT

[before they destroy it all]
govt needs to seize back the public assets styolen
for private proffit[when communism failed the people got shares

when capitalists failed
thyey got their debts paid off
and a nice nobus all round...

then we got all them family trusts
[getting special 15%..half tax..when the poor peasents
paying income tax..lol..on wage...[wage ISNT INCOME]

[income is money made with no value adding
to wit those gambklers gambling owith our pensions

bying dead kodac shares
and bonus to their mates

ie treason

heck now we going to let the banks quantive easing[devaluing yet further values..from our hyper inflating services..and ever increasing pri9ce of our commodities

as the thieves try to find a safe place
to hide their plunder..[govt gifted to criminals]

bah
SEIZE BACK THE PROCEEDS OF CRIME
no private lawyers..;only legal aid..
like us other poor mugs get[guilty pleaee not acceptred..WE MUST KNOW THE HOW WHO WHEN...!

revealed fully in higher courts

then jail..
like we mugs paying income tax..[and compulsory super]..get on wages

not one criminal..
[of the three latest *big collapses
is..*in jail]

for setting up
the money/service's/commodities
social security/legal/housing/finance governance system's

up..to fail

Bazz

@ "That is not a causitive link. It is just a comment on different decisions."
Circular argument (spin) - Hasbeen blames the cause on "elite's stupidity".

@ "Continually ? When ?"
Check your post history on climate change.

@ "2 to 14 years is not very short term."
Yes it is, very ... particularly with climate change and time series statistical analysis.

@ "It shows no sign of imminent turn up."
Again Bazz, learn something about trend analysis - check the trends for the last 20,000 years and compare to the last few hundred - then compare to the last 50.

@ "It may be showing signs of a mini ice age some say."oh puleeze Bazz, that stuff is found mostly on anti-science sites and so called 'denialist' blog-sites and 'right-wing' media shock-jock op-eds. Ok, Earth will experience other ice ages - check out Milankovitch Cycles, for example.

@ "I don't think anyone knows which way it will turn."
Science is about probabilities Bazz. Again ... time series trend analysis (with the error bars I may add). But hey, I agree ... a meteor can wipe life out as we know it, or you could spontaneously combust tomorrow.

@ "Even the AGW experts state that they do not understand the pause."
Just plain wrong, Bazz. Or most likely (like the so called 'climategate 1 and 2 emails) - you are taking things out of context.

Bazz, there will be a downturn in CO2 emmissions this year if we have another major downturn in so called "growth" - it will not be the end of the Earth. 'We' will "survive the immediate time and faulty policies with enough resources and economy to do the required work."
Nor will the downturn directly impact the long term temperature trends, despite any assertion to the contrary.

@ "You forget that I was originally pointing out someone else's misinterpretation of Hasbeen's post."
I'm pointing out your misinterpretations - they're probably not deliberate ... erroneous yes, but not deliberate.

bonmot you are, even when disagreeing with me, a breath of fresh air.
Right now in Sydney a stage show is running.
Has run in other parts of the world and is extraordinary!
Just quoting the words of famous people, from their autobiography's.
I love a laugh and in my minds eye see this subject.
And the words of deniers making for huge fun ten years hence.
OUG mate, yours on this subject already have me rolling on the floor laughing,! stop it ! hard to get up.
Dogs sit on my chest thinking I have lost it.

Bazz, if you're still there:

This analysis may help;

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/6/4/044022/fulltext/

It "confirms the strong influence of known factors on short-term variations in global temperature, including ENSO, volcanic aerosols and to a lesser degree solar variation ...

The rate of global warming due to other factors (most likely these are exclusively anthropogenic) has been remarkably steady during the 32 years from 1979 through 2010 ...

There is no indication of any slowdown or acceleration of global warming, beyond the variability induced by these known natural factors. Because the effects of volcanic eruptions and of ENSO are very short-term and that of solar variability very small (figure 7), none of these factors can be expected to exert a significant influence on the continuation of global warming over the coming decades ...

Annual averages of the result are shown in figure 8. This is the true global warming signal."

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Thanks Belly

Now of course we all know that REAL scientists take a long term perspective, they don't get carried away by short-termisms.

We know that, because Bonmot told us so--see here:
<< Bazz, you continually conflate short term (natural) variation with long term trends. I don't understand why you do this but do it you do - it does not help>>

So forgive us if *some of us* are a little bit cynical when Botnet spruiking AGW theology should selectively chose the last 20-30 years as sure fire proof-- albeit after (his source) has averaged, pruned & polished the results to better reflect their pet hypothesis.


See here:
<< The rate of global warming due to other factors (most likely these are exclusively anthropogenic) has been remarkably steady during the 32 years from 1979 through 2010 ...>>

I mean if he had chosen a different time frame--like this:
http://tinyurl.com/6og8amu

or, this:
http://tinyurl.com/7m9f5ce

Or (heaven forbid!) even the graph attached here:
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

Things would not have seemed so conclusive --so rosy and warm .And Belly wouldn't be shouting hallelujah brother...strange bed fellows indeed!

Bommot etc,
I am not particularly interested in AGW for a couple of reasons.
The first is I don't think that it is as anywhere near as important
as our major threat, ie the relatively more imminent depletion of energy sources.
That alone will outweigh the panic warnings of the warmists.
It alone will result in less CO2 and when the IPCC incorporates the
more realistic quantities of fossil fuels into its projections then
that is the time to come back and look again at the AGW.

The second reason is that the earth has been warming since the Maunder
Minimum in the early 18th century. So no surprise there.
Maybe it is now reaching its "normal" temperature.