It may be in the pipe line if so lets not run it.
I hope in understanding just how wrong this was we know it is no single act.
In condemning the silly action, and its filming, we remember those hands tied while their throats are cut.
The terror we never saw in Christian faces about to die.
Children, of all faiths, all sides killed by all sides.
In talking of this issue let us all remember war is hell.
It always has been always will be, no films exist from a thousand past wars a million million past cruel acts.
Foolish, yes, but not unrepresentative of all wars all sides.

We should demand better from our soldiers and expect more. We should condemn anything thing that humiliates them like this and what happened at Abu Ghraib even for only the reason it saves them from themselves ... and us, from them.

These soldiers need to be kept in touch with humanity and reality even from the distance we are from them. We NEED to let them know boundaries all the while understanding the horrors these men are experiencing.

This is the exact reason the military are SO HARD on their troops while they're still green.

One day these troops need to assimilate back into society. We don't need don't need trained killers with psychological damage being completely unsympathetic to other humans.

*humiliates them..

Sorry, 'them' being the enemy combatants.

Now I am not saying this was by any means right, but we must remember, these dead soles just hours, days earlier were doing their danmdest to kill then likes of the offending soldiers.

This is war after all.

Why do some people still have this mentality of two wrongs making a right.
Yes they would have killed their killers had they gotten the upper hand but to do what those yanks did AND film it it makes me feel no better. Don't forget that both sides of a conflict are the victims of indoctrination.

Pleased there is not too much holier than thou in these posts.

I was a pilot. Nice clean fighting. I shot things, aircraft, trucks tanks etc. The blood & guts, if any, was a long way away.

I'm not too sure how I'd behave if I had had to pick a mates guts out of the dust, after a road side bomb was detonated by these blokes, or their compatriots. I may not have been kind.

I know I'd like to send the likes of Obama, & H Clinton out on a foot patrol in Afghanistan, & then see how holey they are. It's easy to shoot your mouth off, when there is no chance you'll ever be asked to be in the situation.

At least that pair are safe from me. I would not repeat the complement on them, even if they were on fire.

Hasbeen I respect your service and agree more with your post than the others.
But let us be honest, this is standard in any war, I see no indoctrination.
But yes the soldiers are fools, photo taker worse publisher too.
Others will pay for this act.
But know too war is like that, all sides, seeing body parts thrown around that belonged once to your mate can not be felt.
I have these thoughts, harsh punishment for those involved, for damaging their country.
Some close look at the ill informed publishers motives and impacts of this.
And a reminder of basic human law and respect.

i hesitate to..speak
these 'guys'..were snipers [apparently]
meaning they..hide..and kill unsen..by ambush

the three corpses[4?]..were all near each other
thus its likely they were killed..by ambush..in the same places filmed

think of it like tactical forces
hiding in some park..killing off a group having a picnic

sure they 'looked'..like terroists
but what was the proofs of their crime?

extra judicial killings must be justifyable
not just kill some towelheads..and throw a leak on em

these people..hardend to kill from ambush
are as damgerouse as them computer nurds killing via smart bombs..

then going home to the mrs' and kids
except many go home to the mr...being a mzzz

the phucic damages this type heap upobn their souls are huge
any govt ordering this insane murder..needs be exposed as being fully open to cghioarges of treason[and colluding to kill]

lets have a trial
id all parties

hear the proof[intell].or whatever
that saw some good people
do demonic things

there is no just war
no nice way of killing

no good excuse to take anyones lifes karma...into your own soul

neuremberg refuted taking order's
as excusing..the doing of any impure/immoral...perverse[murderous] act

These men were professionals. Trained soldiers.
Their behaviour was appaling - and well below the mark of
what is acceptable from any military man.
A solder does not behave in this manner. The uniform he
wears represents the country he serves. His behaviour
is a reflection not only on him but the military force
that he is a part of.

I would say that something is very
wrong with the training of these men. Soldiers are
accountable. There are conventions that they have to adhere
to. They're not ordinary civilians untrained for war. They are trained for their jobs and they
know darn well what is or is not acceptable behaviour.

This matter should be thoroughly investigated.
And questions need to be asked to ensure that this does not
happen again. America's reputation is at stake in a very
volatile area.

...p#zz on them to put them out, flame (throw) them to light them up, what difference? Since when has war been other than "ghastly"?
Judge the fool behind the camera, the real worry!

PS:

...Whole Japanese cities were "napalmed" unnecessarily, prior to dropping the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki end of WW2. What respect does that convey towards human life, dead or alive. This event should be kept in perspective. I hope no action is taken against those "urinating" boys! They have great example to follow, I don't think!

Here we go.
OUG thinks the dead may have been picnicking.
Last poster tells of Japan being bombed in the fire bombing thing.
This wrong wrong, never should have happened, never should have been filmed.
But remember Japans murders? rapes?
It did happen does in every war every battle.
Americas real war crime, its actions against Bradly Manning!
Similar to those against a past youth up set with CIA intrusions in to friendly country's including AUSTRALIA.
I wanted to talk about this, to say it was wrong, stupid, and SCREAMS for an end to this behavior.
But do not ever,forget it pales against every day events rape torture in Africa and all over the world.
Remember too, it is more than likely the dead would act just as bad if the boot was on the other foot.
Car bombs Human bombs sent to kill women and children ,using some times children who, some times, are incapable of understanding what they are doing.

In another thread the word respect is highlighted.
It should be here.
And in every thread I can ever remember posting in.
Respect, understanding, that indeed every action has a reaction.
This event never should have taken place.
Yet it does every day every hour some place.
I note some have a side and take it, use this event to fuel private fires.
But with increasing need respect is a tool that we use far less than we should.
The troops will be punished, harshly for a foolish and wrong act.
The photo taker, may be rewarded for the photo, with cash.
His/her actions too had no respect for the dead.

yes belly it is about respect
if you pee upon the uniform
you pee on the crown

its not the physical act
its what the act symbolises

[what would the words mean..if i was to say 'piss on you''
[not that i would say that..

cause i would never piss on you
but i piss on ya party..[yet not on ya union]
even been to court for pissin on the flag..its a symbolic act to some

to thers it just indicates contempt
thing is the symolism...well mate..it just lookes bad
with this whole war thing..well i just know someone is peeing on my shoe...cause they can]

remember the can man belly
was he in the union...what rules can we bring to his workplace
[ok its too late for him]..but what rules can we bring to war
what rules can we bring to civilise killing

lethal injection
electrick chairs
power stools

now we are blaming the film dude
thats what happens when govts take turns
at killing each others poor people..in ensdless war's

25 million japs diedc in the napalm bombing
just before the bomb's were dropped

buty the jap govt didnt care about people[peasents..'colateral'..damaged..by either of them
iot was the fear of the commies comming..that saw the elites surrender

and look at what capitalists did
the elites..didnt want communism
[recent report on bbc]

it was rich jap people..chosing..the capitalist system
nuthing else..[just like money talks..even..in alfganastan

those dudes
wernt dressed like bankers
they dressed in civilian clothing..looked like collateral..not banker's

OUG NO!
25 million Japanese died because of napalm bombing in ww2 Japan?
Not that number all reasons, in the whole war!
Now why did the yanks do this, why do we see every army do it and worse.
Some one said indoctrination, well yes every army has been indoctrinated to think THEY, the other side, are EVIL/WRONG.
What can be done.
Very little, but from me it may/will look strange.
America, increasingly,is developing its own version of Christianity,while other western country's are shifting away from it.
Slowly but true.
Fundamentalism, in any creed, may blind us to the sameness of humans.
We seem now to have no fences to show us how to live and how not to.
Maybe the west at least should have a charter of life, rules to live by.
Once provided by Church's.
If we do not find boundary's they may be imposed on us.
Once, in Australia at least, we called each other to task for behavior such as this.
OUG research death toll in full ww2, look then at Chinas toll, not included for some reason in that toll.
Find deaths in south east Asia at hands of Japan, add to the total the female sex slaves treated so badly and killed .
Then forgive as your God says, I have too.
But this I wish for,why is modern Japan, not telling the truth,in its education, about its past?
Maybe you read in their books of 25 million burnt to death.

belly the info is difficult to find

as near as i get[without getting further info
for others to question my over

http://japanfocus.org/-Mark-Selden/2414

""A Forgotten Holocaust: US Bombing Strategy,

the Destruction of Japanese Cities
and the American Way of War from World War II to Iraq [*]

Mark Selden

World War II was a landmark..in the development and deployment of technologies of mass destruction..associated with air power, notably the B-29 bomber, napalm and the atomic bomb.

An estimated 50 to 70 million people lay dead in its wake.

In a sharp reversal of the pattern of World War I and of most earlier wars, a substantial majority of the dead were noncombatants.

[1] The air war, which reached peak intensity with the area bombing, including atomic bombing, of major European and Japanese cities in its final year, had a devastating impact on noncombatant populations.

What is the logic
and what have been the consequences—for its victims,""

mate its a long thread
im over explaining
if bbc said 25 million..i agree with them

""While the US continued to proclaim adherence..to tactical bombing, tests of firebombing options..against Japanese homes throughout 1943-44 demonstrated that M-69 bombs were highly effective against the densely packed wooden structures of Japanese cities.

[19] In the final six months of the war, the US threw the full weight of its air power into campaigns to burn whole Japanese cities to the ground and terrorize, incapacitate and kill their largely defenseless residents in an effort to force surrender.

mate im over debaiting the numbers

war is hell
anmyone saying only solgers die...lie

the numbers of civil deaths compaered to military deaths
is now over 100 civil deaths
for each solger

but mate
im tired

say im a liar..[im fine with that
just stop standing up for wholesale murder]

these solgers killed ...WHAT
give names..were these combatants..or civilian collateral damage

no ifs buts or maybe's

war is wrong

full stop

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=japan+napalm+death+toll+25+mil&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=2&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=2076l10454l0l13683l23l18l0l0l0l0l2721l2721l9-1l1l0&oq=japan+napalm+death+toll+25+mil&aq=f&aqi=&aql=

war is wrong.
uog,
The challenge is to work out how to stop it. Even greater is the challenge of making people think. Fighting seems an easier option.

yep individual..its easier todo nuthin
let others think for us
tell us how..they want us to live
then tell us when to die..

[the perfect commie party line unionist..just like the education system master..wants education to deliver][

if the better/smarter/more clever
more powerfull..than you says jump

panic
thats al just urine
dried or dyed..or spun
they wont stoppissing on us..till the viles of war are overcome

[tax their booty...war has damages..
its time those who proffiteerd from war..
were made to clean up the mess..they leave behind

[designed to continue killing for decades..after the war mongers have moved on]

oh heck lets just go the big war

the insanity that apes..can evolve into the highest incarnation[in less than 80,000 years]..dont stretch credulity..why should fake nationalism[designed to murder..other de facto nations]

divide and con-queer

i piss on nations
god didnt make em
men did...redrew the boundries again and again and a gain

"people don't start wars - governments do" - ballad of josse wales, clint eastwood

Can we avoid the truth about war and still be honest.
Governments are people, it has always been mans nature to fight wars.
Not just men ww1 saw women, sometimes dreadfully wrong, post white feathers to men, for not fighting.
Now be honest, some of us would go to war if one was declared on the other side of politics.
Or a sporting country or team we do not like, maybe a religion, we find excuses to hate and fight.

And if we did not, if Drake had not set sail against the Amarda? Britain made peace with Hitler?
What if America left Japan to have the Pacific.
Anti war types forget it takes two to fight and two for peace.
But undefended country's do get invaded only faster.
Lets say how wrong this is but not fall in to the fantasy we are the only aggressors here.

There were no big Allied War Criminal trials held after WW2 because we were the good guys.

We can do nine evil things as long as we can point to ten done by the enemy.

That makes us morally superior in every way.

War is what we do. It's what we're good at. We've been doing it from kick off of the species and will do it till something takes us out.

Anyone of you come on my place armed meaning harm and I'll shoot you. Bugger the consequences. It's how we function. We ALL will fight given the right motivation.

I agree St G but get great amusement from those who think not.
Flowers in guns, making male children carry dolls for first years.
Lay down your guns and dance.
Peace is great but can we achieve it by ignoring truth.
If the west, right now lays down its guns closes our armed forces brings it all home.
The happy hippy's, unrealistics, will dance in the streets.
As their throats are cut invaders.
War is a product of humanity's determination to be different.
Culture, Gods, we want difference and it fuel what difference always will , a need to sort out who is in charge.