Yabby the Global Central banksters in the form of Ben Bernake have destroyed the Western economies.The economic paedophiles are within our midst.The next collapse will see more of your super disappear.The scumbags will screw us all into abject poverty if we let them.

im more concerned with the ongoing assasinations of key iranians..by the mossad...by the us pres orders...or just the insane xtian zionist endtimers

but this topic aint about that
it seems its about institutions

and means to subvert and control the value's
inherant in delivering the promised contractual terms

there are international 'settlement'..houses
where the future promises..[futures]..are deliverd
each specialises..like the conex delivers the gold[in time and conditionally]..others deliver other promises

promises bought[paid]..for in us dollar' market VALUES
not nessisarilly us dollars..but priced as if in us$

some are found here

http://www.google.com/search?q=international+share%27s+settlements+house&btnG=Search&oq=the+international+house+of+settlemnts&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l0l4910l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

im not sure
if they trade in us dollars
or just the current exchange rate values

i have previously posted..of the shares settlemnts house
[who controls the instant share trades,,via holding the shares rights
the actual shares...are mortgauged..to them other money control mobs..

so its only a regester.
.of who own the promise..of the share

they tested the system once...when the market took a huge dive
just to see if phantom share trading..could affect the price
and lo it did

the shares settlemnent houses...bought the shares
with 'borrowed'..funds..[2.3 trillion debt]..
using the bought shares..as security

its convoluted..but gives them full?..licence...
to say yeah or nea
as to who holds the mortgauged share's..*rights

i cant get a title..to my land in qld
cause its all 'on line'..or some other such spin
[cause they onsold off all the actual securitised paper..holding the true title]

in law the origonal only
has lawfull weight..[photcopies are of no legal weight]

thus the blue ink mortgauge note
must be in court,..or they cant take ya house
but this isnt iran's crisis...its about them holding future promise's

and willing to kill all of creation
to deliver past childish promises..with our blood

insane endtime zionists
doing assasination..with aussie..[surreal]..passports
us [presidents ordering assasinations

even building hospitals in georgia
http://rt.com/politics/us-georgia-iran-war-441/

and other 'sign's..the insane still want an end time
http://rt.com/politics/amd-russia-us-nato-radar-451/

some so hate god
[and his creation]..they are willing to kill it bit by bit
or all at once..[and if they can make a little cash on the side
their onto it

It is easy to see Israel's minions loading up the comments section with unfounded accusations against Iran. I note with particular interest the claim that Iran could prove its nuclear ambitions were peaceful if they only included foreign scientists. Such claims only betray the total ignorance of Israel's supporters because Russians are on the ground at Natanz, building that power station. I would also point out that as a signator to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran allows all of its nuclear faciltiies to be inspected and monitored by the IAEA, something Israel, which has never signed the NNPT, continues to refuse. Likewise, under Article IV of the NNPT, the United States is OBLIGATED to assist Iran in building their peaceful nuclear facilities, a sure way to make certain there is no Dimone-like clandestine weapons factory underneath it. Yet the US remains in violation of this treaty obligation, because the US needs a climate of uncertainty to sell the lies used to trick Americans into another war of conquest.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta admitted only last Sunday that Iran does not have nuclear weapons any more than Iraq did. The IAEA continues to confirm that, outside of fabricated evidence on the Mossad-supplied "laptop of death", there is no evidence of weapons development in Iran.

Final note; allegations that Iran is involved in terrorism are constantly being made as justification for an attack, yet as ha been the case with the accusations of nuclear weapons, evidence is absent or fabricated.

"Truth is the first casualty of war." -- Senator Hiram Johnson

"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tsu

Really, Arjay?

>>There is lot's of US $ floating around in the derivative market.<<

I know I have asked you this previously, without success, but perhaps I should try again.

How do you actually get those dollars out of the derivative market, in order to put them to productive use? Because, as you say...

>>Pericles,for any trade to occur US $ must first be bought<<

Have a think about it. You might need to check first what a derivative is, and how it is traded, and under what circumstances actual dollars become available from those trades.

>>Everyone now wants to rid themselves of US $ since it will collapse once the derivative market implodes<<

Be honest, Arjay, you have never quite worked out the mechanics of derivative trading, have you. Certainly not enough to understand under what circumstances the market might "implode".

Incidentally, who will suffer most if the $US "collapses"? You might suggest "anyone who holds debt denominated in $US", and you'd be right.

I wonder who holds a shedload of $US debt right now? Hmmmm.

Pericles the World GDP is about $ 80 trillion.Est of the derivative markets range from $ 150-240 trillion.How can the fake money be worth 2 to 3 times that of the real economy? The Fed created $15 trillion for bailouts wars etc and another $16 trillion on off balance sheet money.Where it it all go?

OUG,since Admiral Mullen has retired,the USA is now backing Israel if they attack Iran.Mullen opposed any attack on Iran.It will be a disaster if Iran gets attacked.The Israeli leadership is bonkers.All this destabilisation in the Middle East has their stamp on it.Obama is not listening to many in the USA about how stupid it is.

Gordon Duff is probably lying about the 6 Nukes Iran has to try and bluff Israel.With the world divesting themselves of US $ they may see a conflict as a temporary way of propping up the $.

I think China,Japan, Russia etc are taking the initiative and the Yuan will become the new reserve currency.It is in our interests for China to prosper since mining is our major source of cash as we don't have a Reserve Bank that creates new money for growth.

Pericles -

Regarding to relationship between oil and the value of the US dollar -

The US dollar derives virtually all of it's value from the fact that OPEC have agreed that all oil sales will be transacted in that specific currency.

Saddam once started trading in Euros in retaliation for the embargos placed against him and Gaddafi was looking at trading in gold. Both anomalies were corrected very quickly.

Without US dollars, no country would be able to buy or sell oil so there is a constant demand for that currency and this gives the US a significant commercial trade advantage. If demand for oil is high then they would be able to effectively pay less for their imports and get more for their exports.

A higher oil cost would also create a higher demand for their dollars.

On the other hand, since about 80% of their own oil consumption is used just to run their internal economy, that creates greater domestic pressures.

I've read elsewhere that without the international demand for oil, the US dollar and hence their economy - would effectively collapse within a few months.

I suppose it comes down to whatever is politically (not economically) desirable at the time.

When do we start looking for WMDs in Iran?