http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/09/iran-crisis-something-fishy/
I have in the caught Gordon Duff out publishing nonsense in the past but this article may have some truth to it.

Gordon in this article implies that Iranian elites are working with Western elites to artificially push up the price of oil and make huge profits.In other words this sabre rattling is to make profits from us. His intelligence also tells him that Iran has already got 6 large nukes they bought from the Ukraine when the USSR collapsed.His view is that the USA/NATO do not have the capacity to take Iran on.

One thing is certain is that a surge in the price of oil helps the powerful corporate elites and Iran.It also props up the US $ which is still the major world trading currency.So are we going to see a minor conflict in the Gulf of Hormuz to achieve that aim?

Quick question, Arjay.

The US imports over eight million barrels a day.

http://38.96.246.204/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_d_NUS_Z00_mbbl_m.htm

How does a rise in the price of oil benefit them?

Also, how does a price rise "prop up the US dollar?"

My question will not be well received.
But I ask it in any case.
Arjay are you a propaganda machine for one side in the middle east?
The concept you put is for me at least, laughable

One thing we know for certain is that we don't know anything. Often the ordinary Joe only becomes 'the wiser' in hindsight through the historical context. Who would have believed some of the interventionist policies of the US - which we now have knowledge - if these ideas had been proposed at the time. However that also leaves room for the lack of a conspiracy in each and every case of US involvement. How does the ordinary person discern the difference.

These events have occurred in relation to Iran recently:

1.
The US recently rescued Iranian hostages on a Somali pirate ship receiving thanks and acknowledgment from Iran.

2. The reported execution of an US/Iranian citizen (US Marine) being held in Iran a country that does not recognise dual citizenship in it's justice system.

3. The now public knowledge that Iran is enriching uranium in a secure underground facility and have been testing missiles. Their nuclear capacity has not really been a big secret.

4. Iran has stated they will continue despite the threats of oil embargoes and other sanctions.

I don't pretend to be an expert on oil economics, but would the potential embargo on Iranian supplies provide a benefit in relation to US stockpiles? Or is it detrimental to stockpiling (emergency) policies? I would tend to think the US would want to continue to stockpile given their policy history so far.

http://fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-09/oil-trades-near-lowest-this-year-on-rising-stockpiles-european-outlook.html

Also will the growing transition to gas energy make all this oil talk a moot point?

Pericles misses the point again.The ordinary people do not benefit in the USA.It is BP and the likes of Exxon Mobile.They don't give a stuff about the US or European economies just now.The more our economies flounder the cheaper the elites can buy our assets.

Japan and China have just agreed to circumvent the US $ and trade directly with their currencies.This will see many other countries do the same.This means that the US $ will not be propped up by international trade.

Remember that India did not send their PM to the last CHOGM meeting and Julia was told by Obama to sell Uranium to them against ALP policy.This was a sweetner to get India on side.India is a powerful force both economically and militarily.They are hedging their bets.Japan and China look like growing closer.Japan is still the 3rd largest economy on the planet.So if China,Japan ,India,Iran and Russia join forces,the morally/economically bankrupt West is looking very weak.

There comes a point whereby the corrupt despotic Western elites must stop destroying our economies or else face defeat by the East.

I'm not saying that Gordon Duff is right but knowing how ruthless and coniving these elites are,it would not surprise me.

Neat sidestep, Arjay.

>>Pericles misses the point again.The ordinary people do not benefit in the USA.<<

Although you forgot to tell me how these nefarious machinations benefit the US dollar.

>>It also props up the US $ which is still the major world trading currency<<

I'm looking forward to your explanation. I expect the words "new world order" and "Rothschild" will be in there somewhere.

Oh, but wait, here's a complication.

>>Japan and China have just agreed to circumvent the US $ and trade directly with their currencies.<<

How does that sit with "propping up the US dollar"? Oh, you are ahead of me there...

>>This means that the US $ will not be propped up by international trade<<

Hmmmm. This could get tricky. Which will it be, do you think? Propped up by the oil embargo, or not propped up by the direct currency deals?

I await your prediction with the customary - now almost traditional - holding-of-the-breath.

Pericles,for any trade to occur US $ must first be bought.So demand keeps up the price of the US $.Yes with China and Japan now trading directly,this negates the power of the US $.This is just a recent event which must really piss them off.The rest of the world still trades is US $.

Those who own the US currency,yes JP Morgan,Rothschilds and Rockefellers don't really give a stuff about our economies since they get more money and power on our falling economies than a rising one.

What you have to realise is that elites be they Russian,Chinese,Zionist,Iranian or Western all think the same way in terms of their power bases.They will be ruthless and kill off their own people as well as their peers in their pursuit of power.

Ok, I'm with you so far.

>>Pericles,for any trade to occur US $ must first be bought.<<

So, who do they buy US$ from? What with?

I thought the US$ was over-borrowed right now, which would indicate that it would be in everyone's interest to depress its exchange rate.

But hey, what do I know.

There is lot's of US $ floating around in the derivative market.Remember a recent partial audit initiated by Ron Paul found another $16 trillion created by the Fed in off balance sheet transactions.No actual money changes hands on the conversion from Yen to $ US to Renimbi.It is just a mathematical exercise in which the money changers make a profit exchanging currencies.Cut out the middle man,ie US $ is what China and Japan are thinking.

Everyone now wants to rid themselves of US $ since it will collapse once the derivative market implodes.I think we will see a trading block comprised or China,India,Pakistan,Japan,Iran Brazil,and some other South American Countries who will grow their economies to take up the slack left by the debt ridden West.They will slowly eliminate the power of the Western Central Banks and their counterfeiting parasites.

*Cut out the middle man,ie US $ is what China and Japan are thinking.*

So Arjay, lets say that the US dollar collapses. Where would China
and Japan then sell their goods?

Yabby,"Where would china sell its goods?" I covered that in mentioning new trading block made up of India,China,Russia,Japan Iran and South American countries.They have enormous potential for expansion.Only 450 million of China's 1.2 billion participate in this present boom and far fewer in India.If they build a middle class without the debt parasites,then they don't need the West.

If we add up all the pop of these countries,they make up over half the world's population.There is plenty of potential for expansion.The pop of Europe and the USA is about 1.2 billion.Asia won't need us in the near future,except to serve at their tables.

Ah Arjay, that will be huge relief for the Americans. For years
they have correctly pointed out that Japan and especialy China,
have manipulated their currencies, to gain a competitive edge.

They even lent America near unlimited amounts of money to keep
the wheels on their export carts going. Unfortunately for them,
they lent it all in US $, so its fairly simple for the Americans
to pay it back. So as soon as your conspiracy finally happens,
clearly America will boom! The Americans will be thrilled.

Yabby the Global Central banksters in the form of Ben Bernake have destroyed the Western economies.The economic paedophiles are within our midst.The next collapse will see more of your super disappear.The scumbags will screw us all into abject poverty if we let them.

im more concerned with the ongoing assasinations of key iranians..by the mossad...by the us pres orders...or just the insane xtian zionist endtimers

but this topic aint about that
it seems its about institutions

and means to subvert and control the value's
inherant in delivering the promised contractual terms

there are international 'settlement'..houses
where the future promises..[futures]..are deliverd
each specialises..like the conex delivers the gold[in time and conditionally]..others deliver other promises

promises bought[paid]..for in us dollar' market VALUES
not nessisarilly us dollars..but priced as if in us$

some are found here

http://www.google.com/search?q=international+share%27s+settlements+house&btnG=Search&oq=the+international+house+of+settlemnts&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l0l4910l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

im not sure
if they trade in us dollars
or just the current exchange rate values

i have previously posted..of the shares settlemnts house
[who controls the instant share trades,,via holding the shares rights
the actual shares...are mortgauged..to them other money control mobs..

so its only a regester.
.of who own the promise..of the share

they tested the system once...when the market took a huge dive
just to see if phantom share trading..could affect the price
and lo it did

the shares settlemnent houses...bought the shares
with 'borrowed'..funds..[2.3 trillion debt]..
using the bought shares..as security

its convoluted..but gives them full?..licence...
to say yeah or nea
as to who holds the mortgauged share's..*rights

i cant get a title..to my land in qld
cause its all 'on line'..or some other such spin
[cause they onsold off all the actual securitised paper..holding the true title]

in law the origonal only
has lawfull weight..[photcopies are of no legal weight]

thus the blue ink mortgauge note
must be in court,..or they cant take ya house
but this isnt iran's crisis...its about them holding future promise's

and willing to kill all of creation
to deliver past childish promises..with our blood

insane endtime zionists
doing assasination..with aussie..[surreal]..passports
us [presidents ordering assasinations

even building hospitals in georgia
http://rt.com/politics/us-georgia-iran-war-441/

and other 'sign's..the insane still want an end time
http://rt.com/politics/amd-russia-us-nato-radar-451/

some so hate god
[and his creation]..they are willing to kill it bit by bit
or all at once..[and if they can make a little cash on the side
their onto it

It is easy to see Israel's minions loading up the comments section with unfounded accusations against Iran. I note with particular interest the claim that Iran could prove its nuclear ambitions were peaceful if they only included foreign scientists. Such claims only betray the total ignorance of Israel's supporters because Russians are on the ground at Natanz, building that power station. I would also point out that as a signator to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran allows all of its nuclear faciltiies to be inspected and monitored by the IAEA, something Israel, which has never signed the NNPT, continues to refuse. Likewise, under Article IV of the NNPT, the United States is OBLIGATED to assist Iran in building their peaceful nuclear facilities, a sure way to make certain there is no Dimone-like clandestine weapons factory underneath it. Yet the US remains in violation of this treaty obligation, because the US needs a climate of uncertainty to sell the lies used to trick Americans into another war of conquest.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta admitted only last Sunday that Iran does not have nuclear weapons any more than Iraq did. The IAEA continues to confirm that, outside of fabricated evidence on the Mossad-supplied "laptop of death", there is no evidence of weapons development in Iran.

Final note; allegations that Iran is involved in terrorism are constantly being made as justification for an attack, yet as ha been the case with the accusations of nuclear weapons, evidence is absent or fabricated.

"Truth is the first casualty of war." -- Senator Hiram Johnson

"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tsu

Really, Arjay?

>>There is lot's of US $ floating around in the derivative market.<<

I know I have asked you this previously, without success, but perhaps I should try again.

How do you actually get those dollars out of the derivative market, in order to put them to productive use? Because, as you say...

>>Pericles,for any trade to occur US $ must first be bought<<

Have a think about it. You might need to check first what a derivative is, and how it is traded, and under what circumstances actual dollars become available from those trades.

>>Everyone now wants to rid themselves of US $ since it will collapse once the derivative market implodes<<

Be honest, Arjay, you have never quite worked out the mechanics of derivative trading, have you. Certainly not enough to understand under what circumstances the market might "implode".

Incidentally, who will suffer most if the $US "collapses"? You might suggest "anyone who holds debt denominated in $US", and you'd be right.

I wonder who holds a shedload of $US debt right now? Hmmmm.

Pericles the World GDP is about $ 80 trillion.Est of the derivative markets range from $ 150-240 trillion.How can the fake money be worth 2 to 3 times that of the real economy? The Fed created $15 trillion for bailouts wars etc and another $16 trillion on off balance sheet money.Where it it all go?

OUG,since Admiral Mullen has retired,the USA is now backing Israel if they attack Iran.Mullen opposed any attack on Iran.It will be a disaster if Iran gets attacked.The Israeli leadership is bonkers.All this destabilisation in the Middle East has their stamp on it.Obama is not listening to many in the USA about how stupid it is.

Gordon Duff is probably lying about the 6 Nukes Iran has to try and bluff Israel.With the world divesting themselves of US $ they may see a conflict as a temporary way of propping up the $.

I think China,Japan, Russia etc are taking the initiative and the Yuan will become the new reserve currency.It is in our interests for China to prosper since mining is our major source of cash as we don't have a Reserve Bank that creates new money for growth.

Pericles -

Regarding to relationship between oil and the value of the US dollar -

The US dollar derives virtually all of it's value from the fact that OPEC have agreed that all oil sales will be transacted in that specific currency.

Saddam once started trading in Euros in retaliation for the embargos placed against him and Gaddafi was looking at trading in gold. Both anomalies were corrected very quickly.

Without US dollars, no country would be able to buy or sell oil so there is a constant demand for that currency and this gives the US a significant commercial trade advantage. If demand for oil is high then they would be able to effectively pay less for their imports and get more for their exports.

A higher oil cost would also create a higher demand for their dollars.

On the other hand, since about 80% of their own oil consumption is used just to run their internal economy, that creates greater domestic pressures.

I've read elsewhere that without the international demand for oil, the US dollar and hence their economy - would effectively collapse within a few months.

I suppose it comes down to whatever is politically (not economically) desirable at the time.

When do we start looking for WMDs in Iran?

You will notice that less than one month after 9/11 fully prepared US forces attacked Afghanistan, one of only 7 nations in the western world without a Rothschild controlled central bank.

A short while after the invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq was 'pre-emptively' invaded under the pretext of having Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Iraq was one of six nations left after Afghanistan without a Rothschild controlled central bank.

Its fall left five nations in the world without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and Libya.

We have now crossed Libya off the list, which leaves four:
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/1610/903/Terror_Has_Bankrupted_every_Nation_In_The_West,_Nations_Now_Collectively_At_War_For_Enormous_Profits_To_The_Same_Banks_That_BrokeThem..html

US State Department tells bold lies regarding the latest assassination in Iran as it harbors MEK terrorists in Iraq.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/american-backed-terrorists-in-iran.html

While the fifth and latest assassination of an Iranian scientist in broad daylight has Iran pointing the finger at Israel and the United States, with at least the US State Department denying any involvement, there is no evidence yet to determine exactly who was behind the attack.

However, the US State Department complicated what would have otherwise been plausibly denied, by claiming no US involvement "in any kind of act of violence inside Iran." This is a verified lie...

http://theintelhub.com/2012/01/11/unaccountable-private-military-contractor-abuses/

I think you may have answered your own question, Arjay.

>>Pericles the World GDP is about $ 80 trillion.Est of the derivative markets range from $ 150-240 trillion.How can the fake money be worth 2 to 3 times that of the real economy?<<

The answer is, of course, that it can't. The "value" of the derivatives is calculated on a different basis to GDP. It is a bit like the stock exchange. If you add together the total market capitalization of the listed companies, you will get a number that is substantially larger than their aggregate annual turnover.

What happens with derivatives is the same - the actual derivatives have a face value that is then added up to make the trillions you describe. This is an entirely separate number from GDP, and totally unrelated to it in any way whatsoever, being a reflection of underlying capital values, not revenue.

Also, wobbles, the reality is that if the price of oil goes up, the US will have to spend more dollars buying the stuff - the fact that the price is denominated in US dollars does not mean they can avoid paying.

Good post OUG.The Rothschild influence does vary though.China supplies 80% of it's new money via Govt banks.This new alliance of evolving with Russia,China,Iran Pakistan and now it seems Japan and India,could well have the intention of breaking this banking monopoly of the West.They must realise how parasitic it is and want to free themselves once and for all.

If they form a military alliance also, we are stuffed.We have no manufacturing to back up a conventional war and the banksters have robbed us blind.These countries are already buying up our depreciated assets.Maybe they will just continue buy Australia since our pollies don't care.I saw Hu Jin Tao say he will bring in his own NWO.Perhaps Rothschild will be his role model.

Pericles you cannot escape the reality that derivatives are just another form of casino and are destructive to real productive economies.Soros has used them to attack Greece and Italy.

Ah, but that wasn't the question, was it Arjay.

>>Pericles you cannot escape the reality that derivatives are just another form of casino and are destructive to real productive economies<<

You had offered the derivative market as a source of dollars, with which to pay for oil.

Have another go.

Pericles you know that $31 trillion created by the US Fed since 2008,where did it go? Yes most likely the derivative market.We don't know how much they created for Eurpoean debt.

Why is there a shortage of money for the real economy when the counterfeiters are creating so much of it? They don't want the real economy to recover.They use derivatives as leverage to steal the real wealth of property,public assets,shares and retirement pensions.It is happening right now and you continue to deny the reality.

the world of banking/finance..supply
is all about making more cash

so we saw that movie...where orange futures..were first sold
[on a faulse runour]..like the swiss bankers wife just recently]
where you sell stuff..you dont got,,knowing its price is soon to plumit[and you can buy back your promise..for much less than you sold promises you never had..

but the reality is more clever than this
we can leverage...instead of investing limited cash
we can bet it goes up or down...so for many tiny bets..just a few paying off ..makes the fraud worthwhile

so we lend the cash from the bank..to buy share options
if they go up great...we double or tripple our deposited moneies
if we loose we make up the difference[trouble is there is no stop loss
if the gap bnetween youyr cash deposit...and its fast falling value..goes all the way to zero

your assets are obligated to repaying the full debt

see all money..is created by lending...[booked in us dollars?]
anyhow..all money is debt..[ya know what a bill is right?]

a bank BILL..is a promise to pay..[in legal tender]..

the only constituted legal tender
is gold silver coin..[comonwealth constitution..v.115..]

anyhow as all money[except govt grant]
is debt..with intrest on it..

the means..to reduce the value of the debt
needs surpasss the ammount of the debt..

that requries more borrowed
[intrst bearing bonds/bills]
[someone has to default..to repay others ursury[intrst]..on their debt

its a messy house of cards
govt sells bonds..at 2%
to give intrest fre to bankers etc..for free

they need to hide the money into assets
thus securitised/bonded/guarenteed resources prices go up

but due to the leverage..when they intime go down
so will the many clever infesters..who invested..wisely..but only knew the good times...when the prices went up..

not noticing the quality/quantity
has gone down..they can only buy promises
and if them promises were too much in error
you will go broke...as well as them

but they get a govt bailout
you just pay more..for less

Talking of which, Arjay...'

>>It is happening right now and you continue to deny the reality.<<

It would appear that you continue to deny the reality that you know absolutely nothing of the mechanics of finance, but content yourself with repeating slogans that you collect from various - equally unaware - sources on the internet.

>>Pericles you know that $31 trillion created by the US Fed since 2008,where did it go? Yes most likely the derivative market.<<

In that one sentence - which is pure gibberish, by the way - you demonstrate clearly that you do not possess the first clue how a) money is "created", or b) how the derivative market works.

In addition, the question "where did it go" is completely meaningless - as if money actually "goes" somewhere. Money circulates in the economy, like the blood in your body - it doesn't "go" anywhere, as in having a destination. It would appear that in your mind you have this image of a great pile of dollars somewhere, with a cartoon fat banker, complete with top hat and cigar, sitting on top of it.

So do yourself a favour. Get rid of that picture, and do some homework on how the economy works, and the role of money in the economy. For one thing, you will find it an endlessly fascinating exercise, and for another it will enable you to sort reality from fantasy.

And have a great day.

anyhow as the topic is iran
lets get back to to-pick

ther iran propaganda goes on
we now know why...if we dont...its cause we didnt want to know

its in imotove words...like

""Every sentence..invokes a heady rhythmic hymn..to these children. And on every page..author Laleh Khadivi..questions Iran's raison d'etre.""'

replied in part here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=13113&page=0

at every level the attack goes on
the reslt is pre-ordained..[in less than 5 minutes..some say
in fact it takes 20 minutes]

its likely the aquiring..re the issue of money
or rather aquiring..."others wealth"..is of course relivant
but so secrative...and so colluded..THAT IF TRUE...

only one family trust needs be held to account
for credit or shame..let that one huge trust be audited

follow the trail of every coin
and every asset..held under any related trust

lets lay off the zionist insanity
the 1%...who sought to kill us all

but who 'got it'
in the end

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/5-minutes-to-self-immolation-of-the-israeli-empire/

read it and awake
revalue coin..back to near its true worth by weight
in the colour metal it's coined in...[re store the traditional face value's by adding two 0's..back to the face value]

there thats the big three seals we need to break wide open
that and adulterating laws...and lying re gods graces/mercies[good]

UOG,I cannot see them attacking Iran unless they can get Iran to initiate it or pull off another false flag event.With Ron Paul rising in the polls they cannot afford to let Obama get totally trashed.

They also risk Russia and China entering the fray and a nuke confrontation.Looking at the history I see an huge alliance if Russia,China,India,Iran,Pakistan and Japan.This will tip the balance of power the other way.It will stop the NWO of the banksters but China has its own ideas on their NWO.

The West does not have the manufacturing capacity for a protracted conventional war,so they must be looking to strategic nukes in a sharp short conflict.This is just insane and it shows how unhinged the likes of Rothschild,Rockerfeller etc are.2012 is their time for world dominance.They are totally psychopathic.

Obama has not a clue about the big picture.This puppet just does as he is told,as did Bush.The last voice of reason Admiral Mullen,is now retired and General Petraeus is an obedient yes man.

I don't think they can call the bluff on Russia and China.Evidence has now emerged that the Stuxnet Virus was released on the Fukushima plant and Japan is really pissed off.Japan would love to rid themselves of 50,000 troops in Okinowa.It also happens that this occured on the anniversary of Japan supporting Palistine.Some say it was payback.

We are caught between two despots.The US Federal Reserve who own the US Govt and China whom they have modelled their NWO on.This cartel of banksters could be again backing both sides but their high risk strategy is that China and Japan have a long proud history of independance.They have the upper hand economically and the numbers + manufacturing to back a protracted war.

The banksters need a conflict to bring in martial law at home and escape us but the risk is enormous.

by and large most bankers
dont know how the system goes
about making signatures..to pay debt obligations..into cash

and its not..the true bankers..that cause the ill
[as much as its..the other finantial specialists/watchdogs..accountants lawyers etc]

anyhow..im faily sure..the mossad read the links
at the first link...[that they are deleted..which is fine with me]

im only obligated
to try to reveal the truth...and that i tried..to do

im not upset about the removal..in the least
it got where it was meant to begotten to...
the only hope of awakening
from the nightmare

whoever that may be

side note
our mods do a great job

only..i thought
comments only..were deleted
not all proof..of having an opposing vieuw..removed completly

anyhow times change
we repeat the same erors/biased by the same hates
propogated..by the same sorts of horror tales..
like babies over board

or that of 9 year old kurds[in 1929]
or anti bolchovic jews/..natzies[in 1940]

its the mindless acting..upon others orders
that i thought over..via neuremberg

but maybe not[2012]
time will reveal all
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/5-minutes-to-self-immolation-of-the-israeli-empire/

OUG agreed that most ordinary bankers have not a clue about their grand plan.I'm talking about central bankers and their cronies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU OUG this an amazing talk by Edward Griffin. Collectivism V's Individualism.It trashes the deceptions of the left/right paradigm and shows us the path to freedom.Post it far and wide.

Not a good idea to believe anything on utube. Iran strike imminent.

Hi Arjay,

You write:

"They [the US] also risk Russia and China entering the fray and a nuke confrontation.Looking at the history I see an huge alliance of Russia,China,India,Iran,Pakistan and Japan.This will tip the balance of power the other way.It will stop the NWO of the banksters but China has its own ideas on their NWO."

China and India ? India and Pakistan ? Iran and Pakistan ? Russia and Pakistan? Iran and Japan ? It's going to be one hell of a camel that they will all be trying to ride. Who would be in charge ? A fascinating notion though. And if the Saudis get involved, where would Pakistan stand ? What would happen to this Grand Alliance ?

And:

"The West does not have the manufacturing capacity for a protracted conventional war,so they must be looking to strategic nukes in a sharp short conflict. This is just insane and it shows how unhinged the likes of Rothschild,Rockerfeller etc are. 2012 is their time for world dominance. They are totally psychopathic."

And if it doesn't happen ? Would you be prepared to admit that the likes of Rothschild, Rockefeller etc., are NOT insane, unhinged, and psychopathic ?

Just FYI, by the way, the Rockefellers are not Jewish, if that is how you are thinking. I think John D. was a devout Methodist. It's not all evil Jewish banker conspiracies and world domination.

Cheers,

Joe

No, it hasn't "now emerged", Arjay.

>>Evidence has now emerged that the Stuxnet Virus was released on the Fukushima plant and Japan is really pissed off<<

Stories went around the conspiro-blogo-sphere back in March last year, that the natural disaster somehow "activated" the Stuxnet virus, and prevented the cooling systems from doing their job.

No facts support this view, it is just another fantasy created by people with far too much time on their hands, and who just like inventing spurious "connections". Presumably, as a way of demonstrating to their fellow conspiro-bloggers that they haven't left a single stone unturned, when it comes to blaming their personal shortcomings on the existence of a global new world order cabal of international banksters.

Sad, really.

Happy new year Joe!
There's a misconception about the "Jewish Bankster Conspiracy", it's really an Anglo Saxon/Aryan and "Jewish" operation.
The theory is that the "Saxons" (or Aryans) and the Khazars/Ashkenazim are two tribes or factions of one tribe who were related way back in prehistory, that they both came from central Asia into the influence of Babylon and during the time of the Israel's exile they took up the Abrahamic religion as well as Babylonian occult practices.
The 'conspiracy' is that these "Aryans" and "Jews" have functioned as a controlling elite working it's way to the top of European societies over about the last thousand years via a secret or "occult" (obscured) network.
At present we do indeed have a fairly stable alliance of Rockefellers and Rothschilds with European Royalty and their various peers and hangers on, we also know that these alliances are fickle and the playing fields shift when one faction makes a play for supremacy, WW2 is an obvious example of what I mean.

Great demolition job Joe.
Well said and put
Welcome back.

Jay,

Okay, the Gothic Banker Conspiracy (GBC) then.

But you'll notice that the Swedes are meticulously careful not to leave any trace of their actual control of the GBC, their use of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers as their puppets, and their 2000-year plan for world domination - surely there's got to be something suspicious about that ?!

After all, the complete absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

What do you reckon, Belly ?

Joe

Didn't Loudmouth go into overdrive.I must have hit a few raw nerves.Zionists are not necessarily Jewish,they can be Nazi,Communist Chinese or Russian,the Chameleon takes on many colours.It is an elitist club Loudmouth and we ain't in it.

Now I'm just reporting the reality.On the anniversary of Japan supporting Palistine we have reports of the Stuxnet virus hitting Fukushima.Does Japan deny this? Let's do a deeper investigation.Google it and do the forensic science.

JayofMelbourne.You are right about the who the elites are.There are many in the USA trying to blame it all on the people of of Israel,especially those in the Military.

The Zionists learnt a lot from Hitler whom the Catholic Church supported.The elites care not who dies so long as their power base is secured.The masses no matter their colour or religion are nothing more than pawns or canon fodder to be sacrificed for their egos.

Arjay,

I think I have an inkling of what you are on about: that elites, wherever and whoever they are, will club together against the people; that any elite will conspire with any other to further its goals. Okay, in the most general terms, I'd agree. But as well, since they are fighting over the same spoils and on the same turf, they are as likely to be murderously at each others' throats.

So Mao kills off Lin Piao, Chavez will jail TV executives, one Filipino patron-president will try to jail another, Putin will frame whichever other oligarch-mafia-thief challenges him, real-life Tony Sopranos will sweet-talk and/or rub out any rivals, the Colombian drug cartel bosses will both collude with and attempt to exterminate the Mexican drug cartel bosses (not necessarily as willing puppets of the CIA either, Arjay). Banks will jointly launder money from whichever prostitution or drug cartel pays the highest 'interest' and undercut each other where they can. They will all compete to buy governments.

It's a world of thieves and thugs, I get that, but neither is there honour among thieves. They collude and they compete, in the most brutal ways, and most of us suspect something like this all the time. The winners get elected president and prime minister and the runners-up get sometimes fabulously rewarded and sometimes put through meat mincers. And sometimes none of them win.

And I'm not even in second gear yet !

Cheers,

Joe

way to go joe
""And I'm not even in second gear yet !""

ya scared everyone away