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North Korea WHY?

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This question is one for us too.
Why do we except this country being the private property of a family of slave owners.
Why is China not moving on this starving country.
Or the UN.
Is the UN charter of human rights just for some.
Are we, humanity unconcerned at the mass death by starvation, the blackness of whole generations never knowing about freedom and the real world.
Is China,s wish to have a border other than its own with those it trades with Worth a whole country's suffering?
What we, each of us, threw in the rubbish bin during Christmas would be a feast for so many in this country.
Are only some humans worthy of our concerns.
Why Afghanistan/Iraq but not North Korea?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 1 January 2012 12:51:54 PM
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What is the purpose for the existence of the United Nations?
Why go to war in Iraq Afghanistan but avoid North Korea.
While we left it late to get involved in the Balkans and Rwanda we did, finally act.
People are eating grass seeds,dieing in the streets.
A pumped up murderer rules as lord master God.
Will the west ever be told what great wall stops us freeing and feeding these poor folk.
Or is humanity a sham?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 1 January 2012 5:00:05 PM
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is humanity a sham?
Belly,
Yep !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 January 2012 5:34:30 PM
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Dear Belly,

The United Nations provides a forum for
world opinion and a mechanism for conflict
resolution. There is also a body of
international law that specifies the rights
and obligations that nations have toward one
another particularly with respect to aggression.

However a major difficulty with international
peacemaking, of course, is that compliance with
the resolutions of the United Nations and the
rulings of its World Court are voluntary, for
no country is willing to surrender its sovereignty
to an international body.

The United Nations is most effective, in fact,
when superpowers are able to agree on a course of
action and mobilize their blocs to support it.
Therefore, the organisation does provide an
influential forum for world opinion, and, while
it does not always prevent war, it surely does
help make it less likely.
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 1 January 2012 5:58:28 PM
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All true Lexi, let us look back to its formation.
The reasons and dreams it gave a world looking for much better, it has failed us and its creators.
Power of veto, minority's once again standing in the way of real change turns it in to a fantasy.
I look for better, not just from the fraud, any thought the UN is about United Nations, yet.
And us.
We must act in a united way, a self interested unity, to stop any human being owned, starving, or held in slavery.
If the United Nations can not do this let us leave it to die, and find some other way that gets us of the spectators bench's while folk die.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 2 January 2012 6:11:06 AM
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The reasons and dreams it gave a world looking for much better, it has failed us and its creators.
Belly,
Shades of Labor & ALP.
People left the UN because they couldn't stand the bureaucratic self-serving instead of serving those in need.
Posted by individual, Monday, 2 January 2012 7:51:26 AM
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Indy from the deep depth of your understanding, yes I am being sarcastic.
Name for me every country that has left the United Nations.
Then tell me how the ALP has had any impact on this UN.
Can you, with out Goggling, name the Australian who played such a big roll post ww2? in the UN?
Sir/Madam take a breath look back on your own post history, better described as Hysteria.
Find for me one incisive comment.
One meaningful contribution.
Your comment here is like one scrawled on a toilet wall ,less a phone number.
If New Zealand fell under such control the west would act.
If those taking legal action to stop our governments controlling our borders, spent half that energy showing concern for these folk?
Are we xenophobic, is it that these folk are different than us that drives comments like yours.
Have you nothing to say about the world we live in other than blame it all on the ALP?
Sir your comments are increasingly nothing more than deliberate insults, some what unfounded and totally uninformed.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 2 January 2012 11:29:46 AM
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Dear Belly,

An important element in any peace process is
the international community and its mechanisms
for restraining conflict among its members.

As I've written in the past, trade, travel,
telecommunications - have made the nations
of the modern world more interdependent than
ever before. Yet today's societies have entered
the nuclear age with political institutions inherited
from a previous era.

The human population is spread among a series of
sovereign independent states - most of them with
their own armed forces - and so there is a built-in
potential for warfare whenenver two nations have
conflicting interests.

Before the twentieth century, there were few
institutionalised ways for hostile nations to
achieve a peaceful settlement. When negotiations took place,
they often occurred only after a war - for the purpose of
agreeing to a peace treaty that would specify the spoils
of the victor.

We all realise that the structure of international
peace-making is still rudimentary, however it now
offers infinitely better prospects for helping
nations to avoid war. Particularly in a world where
all nations face a common threat of direct or indirect
involvement in nuclear warfare, some method is needed
to limit conflicts among sovereign states.

The United Nations is not perfect but it does provide a
forum for world opinion and a mechanism for conflict
resolution. Over the years, the United Nations has
intervened successfully in a number of wars (Korea
and in the Middle East) and in several situations
that might have led to war (in the superpower crisis
involving Cuba and Berlin).

The organisation provides an influential forum for
world opinion, and while it doesn't always prevent
war, as I've stated previously, it surely helps make it
less likely.
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 2 January 2012 2:58:07 PM
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Belly,
Yeah, I didn't make the meaning of my connection with the ALP _ UN clear enough. It was sarcastic of course in the way that the true believers have been deceived just as those with real concerns about the world have been deceived by the UN.
Posted by individual, Monday, 2 January 2012 5:23:10 PM
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stated previously, it surely helps make it
less likely.
Lexi,
Of course when the stuff hits the fan than even the UN has to make moves to preserve itself.
Posted by individual, Monday, 2 January 2012 5:25:15 PM
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Dear Individual,

I'm sorry I simply don't understand the
point you're trying to make.
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 2 January 2012 5:37:05 PM
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Belly
North Korea is in the hands of despots, of that there is no doubt. While such a family who appears to be mentally unhinged continues to maintain power is a tragedy.

The fear of a nuclear war is a great deterrent and there is no doubt this country's leader would go down that path with little provocation.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 2 January 2012 8:15:11 PM
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Pelican well said, Lexi too.
Yes I understand, at the risk of bringing harsh comments here is my view why we let it happen.
China, maybe Russia and yes America use this and other issues for self interest.
As America stopped the use of Nuclear weapons and even invasion in the war here, no one wants war.
China is not unaware any big change floods it with millions of refugees.
The night sky photos of this sad country, its black mailing leadership, say clearly this country will not have a computer generated spring.
I hurt, true, for the pain the deaths the suffering.
And fear, true, if man is not better than individual national interests we are going to see much more deaths and suffering.
Lexi we move slowly,sometimes stall completely, but I dream of a truly united nations, with freedom to act, and the will.
Nothing could be a better task than making such country's free and refugee country's fit to live in so we could be seen to be getting better at caring.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 4:24:29 AM
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Well it is a quite time for the forum.
Those who log in at work are on holidays, and others too.
Maybe I am having myself on.
We all do, believe me we do.
But in the end, our difficulty's in confronting this country, and so many clearly wrongs.
Leads me to think, the only out come, long term, wanted or not, is a form of one world government or control.
Maybe I am kidding myself.
But how else can the world fix starvation.
Refugees in the millions, soon to increase annually, conflicts that surely one day will destroy far too many, food shortages.population growth.
We are in no way unlike those Roman crowds around the Arenas watching the Lions tear others apart for our entertainment.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 4:27:59 AM
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2012 no not the silly end of world stuff.
But as this privately owned Nation suffers, as parts of Africa both bake in the sun and thousands die.
20 million refugees and more being created.
Middle east ready to explode and it will.
We humans are showing, in the end if its not in my back yard we do not care.

I have no doubt, our complacency is leading not to Arab springs, but to a form of control world wide .
We one day will regret that, but it is unavoidable, fueled by our complacency.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 5 January 2012 4:01:06 AM
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China I think has something in mind.
And too that very big changes are coming this year in this country.
Maybe not related to a war.
But that too is a chance.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 7 January 2012 3:47:20 PM
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