http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28144 'Obama raises the Military Stakes;Confrontation on the Borders of Russia and China.' context=va&aid=28144 The Western Oligarchs are in total disarray.Prof James Petras does an excellent appraisal of the chaos the Western oligarchs have created for us and themselves.

Recently Obama came here and moved the focus of aggression towards China/Russia.They (Western Oligarchs) have been forced to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq.They are broke yet still persist in this delusional objective of a ' New World Order' that now looks less achievable than ever.

As Prof Petras notes,our Aust economy will be destroyed with a war with China.Add a CO2 tax into the equation and we will make Greece look good.

Even with Russia moving 2 warships + 4 Nuclear Subs into Syria,Obama and Gereral David Petraeus have not backed away from their hawkish stance towards China/Russia.They are now trying to blame the 911 attacks on Iran saying it had a hand in the planning.They have become a farcical joke of their own design.

With the awareness that exists in the West of the financial corruption and the lies of terrorism being used to steal resources and energy,I cannot see a demoralised Western Military taking on the might of China/Russia.All wars end up being fought by foot soldiers and door to door combat.It can only finish in nasty nuclear chaos.

Before anyone comments,read the brilliant article by Prof James Petras.

The really big question for most us of sound mind is how we stop the Western Oligarchs from taking us to war with Russia/China.China does not want war.It has already won the peace.As we've seen at Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonkin and now 911, these people have long history of creating or allowing attacks to happen to justify aggression.

To add to this apocalyptic end,we have the Bible and the Mayans predicting 2012 as being a cataclysmic yr, which for some, is a perverted "manifest destiny" for them to realise their lust for world domination.

We are lucky that Vladmir Putin has rose to the occasion and taken these lunatics on.While Russia and China are no shining light of democracy,the arrival of fascism in the West looks far nastier.

Arjay:

There is an outstanding debt to be repaid. Defeat by the US in Vietnam!
Also: America has set a trap in Afghanistan for the Chinese. Chinese are developing the mining of Afghan resources. Big mistake for the future!

Badly composed!

#Defeat by the US in Vietnam!# Try.. Defeat of the US by China in Vietnam!

Dan...

Although I have yet to read the article by Prof Petras to which you refer Arjay, I must commend you for a topic of substance. And I also agree that the Western oligarchy is over, and has been for quite some time.

On the subject of the U.S. military on the the back foot and and some future time, getting it's butt kicked by Chinese ground forces ?, the scary thing is, that no one in the world would be more capable of using it's nuclear arsenal than they would be in such circumstances, particularly out of their inaccurate and unchanged avaristic view, that they are wearing the white hats and have "God" on their side.

Countries like Australia should start thinking more seriously about their own capability to defend their own shores, instead of entertaining the falsehood that a base containing 2500 American Marines, provides any enhancement to Australia's defence position whatsoever.

It might provide a target however for enemies whom regard the base as another piece of America, which is ironically the way the U.S. defence people on the base will consider the territory they inhabit themselves. Australia's defence being that last thing on their mind in reality.

I am reminded of the real reason the Whitlam Gov't was removed from power, it was because they questioned the activities of the U.S. spy installation at Pine Gap.

Whitlam suggested to the U.S, that without Australian participation at the facility it was unclear that the installation was not also being used to spy on Australian citizens. He threatened not to renew the lease unless such local participation conditions could be met.

You have to remember that at this time Whitlam's Govt had also been instrumental in ending the Vietnam War prior too these events, and were already not popular with the U.S. administration.

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The absolute proof of the pudding in this synopsis is that Pine Gap's lease expired on Nov 11th 1975. The very day of the dismissal election. The very first thing that Malcolm Fraser did as PM was renew that lease unconditionally, just after seeing the GG and being sworn in. This is a truly unfortunate fact for the admirable, articulate and ethical Malcolm Fraser we know today. I now believe he was deceived and mis-informed by the U.S.

The point I'm trying too make Arjay, is that Australia has never actually received loyalty in the true sense from our defence relationship with the U.S. at any point in time in history so far, anyway. I have always been sensitive to this.

The recent Obama gift of a U.S. Base is more of the same and has nothing to do with Australia's interests, but is in fact, in the U.S's interests in their view, that is the only reason we are getting it. Now it is sold by a black man with an orthodontic smile. The same poo, just a different bucket.

The scary bit is, that Australians in 1975 knew what the Pine Gap base was capable of doing and was doing. It's specialty was intercepting private phone calls, world wide. Whitlam correctly pointed out, that if this facility was capable of such ; then the calls of Australian citizens could be also be monitored by the U.S without the knowledge of Australia. He believed this was a security issue for australia not an enhancement.

There has been no reporting to my knowledge by the media today about how this new U.S. military facility will function, nor what it's actual purpose for existence is. This is the fundamental difference between the the freedom of my youth compared to the freedom today. Information or truth is no longer readily available. This is the U.S. influence. It provides this media propaganda and distraction whilst it conducts worldwide crusades in pursuit of it's mis-begotten belief system that rampant capitalism has a soul, or something you can hang your hat on.

con't

It's like supporting your footy team because they are good at cheating. It's good in the short term to get that warm buzzy feeling of being on the winning side. But it never really gains traction or becomes an actual reason for believing in something.

It could have been better Arjay," the U.S. reign I mean", I also think the next oligarchy will be much worse, whom ever that may be.

Thinker2 ,I lament how ignorant the general populace is in the West.Here is a topic that is more important than political personalities,Hollywood,racism,gay marriage etc,yet to most it an impossibility that is not worth consideration.

When Israel attacks Iran,it will be too late.The chain of events that will follow will be unstoppable with a war mongerer like Obama.Still the left are too tribal to really take Obama to the task.This is not a left/right issue.Obama is just an extention of Bush under left cover.

There are many sub-media events happening in the USA that we don't realise like the State Sherifs getting seriously armed and promising to defend the Constitution.The 600+ FEMA camps are now starting to be
manned.Wall St must have more criminals than anyone realised.

Jokes aside,the USA is looking at civil war with 200 million guns and the people becoming more aware.Add into the mix a war with China and we become very expendable.Last time the line against Japan was Brisbane.If China takes Australia,it may be easier to exterminate a mere 20 million and start afresh,rather than the grief cultural racial tensions continuing into the future.It is about time we grew up and defended our own Country/interests.

Thanks for your imput.

Not wanting to sound defeatist, Arjay. But how could a small population like ours, with our huge borders, defend itself against the likes of an aggressor the size of China? Not that I think the Americans will do much to help us, they're flat broke, not to mention morally corrupt. Interesting times ahead my dear friend, not ones I'm looking forward too.

any new world order
will be yes men[beurocrats]

they will need the old world order
because they are serrving the same old order

note how kim elsun just died
but his beurocracy controling his army lives on

the new head will re grow
just as any other figure 'head'..got regrown every other time

in the main via lies
and the helpfull[usefull idiots]..
now i know its a big call to call out a shill..[shrill]
or call an imbisile..[child of the court/ward of the state]..an idiot

but look at the imbisiles crying
cause last time if you didnt cry hard enough you got sent to the free labour camp...to work yourself into real pain..working for the state for free

much disturbing stuff going down
elected members replaced by beurocrats
and obama...saying he can kill anyone

with cia rendition flights plus assasination
building more private prisons...for corperate gains

so much going down
but note the dictraiter lies 'in state'
ie just like the state...and its laws are dead

except for the usefull idiots
but heck they are every where..they banned me from the wfs forum

so now i hunt them down

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12844&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4893&page=0

will they get me
its only a mattter of time
im so over trying to free people who love being idiots[sorry imbisiles]..the party loyalist..man,,the good commie party serf
the usefull sustaining the useless

the living enslaved to the dead
[the state]...as in lying in state[to wit dead]..lol

jesus said let the dead tend[serve],..the dead
i say let the living sustain life
all life

this is it
get on with it

china isnt comming to rape us
it can pick and chose who to buy

wars destroy assets
capitalisim simply takes them over
then doubles its price..but china invade..they allready did

so did that hurt?
when rape is inevitable
lie down and think of the state

there was other stuff i was going to ad
but china..no way...[its ruled by its olgarcs allready
so are we

whitlam,..got off easier than holt
fraser isnt that dumb...but note how they change paths
from usefull idiots...then get sacked..or assasinated...or die of someother thing than they went into hospital for..

the lasst of the pureblood aboriginies...[50 or so]
were 'served'..by docters...7 docters

the 'blacks'..knew dont go to hospital
yet the usefull idiots fail to read the signs

they sign unilateral contracts
that made them legally imbisiles
but are too dumb to know even that gives life to the corperate..state

the dead lording it over the living
by fear...usa will attack iran...[in israsels dreams]
that usefull idiot isnt that dumb...but he must say the words

i wish he was running with ron paul
[who will be the vice pres..
when pres ron paul gets jkilled

like jfk holt sadam insane...gradafy
kim el soon...who next etc]

usefukll idiots
walked happily into the showers
cause they read the words..work makes you free

and they knew they could 'do' the work
so were assured everything was going to be ok

but it wasnt hitler
he was the front man

was it even really him that suicided
or a dopple ganger like sadam insane...who had perfect teeth
but when hung..on the news..had bad teeth

israel was behind 911
the science as you know is in

they plan their next one
in iran..or in syria...or who the flick knows

all i can fight is lies
one lives then one dies

thats the only sure thing in this life

Yes, its North Korea and the new 27 year old son is in charge, is the one to watch. His father for sure has left instructions to continue his work of death to all, and bets are on whether South Korea is going to blown off the map.

With the power they possess, there will be lot of sleepless nights to come while hiding under the so-call Peace plan.

Unclear warhead testing might begin soon some reports say, but the US has secretly hinted to the press that..."if they show any aggression at all to the South, words went along the lines of, "we will turn North Korea into a car park.

Of course the young dictator wont be pulling the strings, its the older advisers that will push him into there brain-washing plan to wipe out the South.

All eyes Above the earth and on the ground, will be trained on the North for quite sometime.

CACTUS

I agree Arjay,

"Here is a topic that is more important than political personalities, Hollywood, gay marriage etc, yet to most it's an impossibility that is not worth consideration". These topics are distractions provided by mass media for discussion, and falsely portrayed as important elements of freedom.

I think racism is a problem though Arjay that should be universally discouraged.

And it may be possible to defend ourselves RawMustard. I don't think the size of our population has as much to do with it as much as how much capability we possess.

Take the case of Nth Korea, its nuclear defence capability has it punching above it's weight, and to some degree, provides (if nothing else) autonomy from oligarchies, whether it be the U.S or China. Please don't interpret me as supporting Nth Korea here, I'm not one bit, but we are told of despots by the media and millions dying from famine, (that may well be true), but the real news story is "how does this compare with suffering caused by economic embargo's and blockades inflicted upon these starving people" ?. And finally without actually knowing, "how is one able to determine if such embargo's are the correct or justifiable policy" ?.

Conversely the Nth Korean media copying it's enemies, portrays millions of people wailing on TV for their despot, as their imagery. The ultimate personality discussion Arjay. An even bigger one coming with the new anointed leader, upon which to focus.

Nth Korea's media are doing so because they can, of course using state controlled facilities, but international media capable of broadcasting independently free of any media filtering or influence from either the U.S. or China. They have got their message out

Ironically Western media will intensify it's own focus upon Nth Korea because of the age alone of the new despot ?. Keep an eye on social media networks.

Finally OUG I agree with the some of the sentiments in your posts.

It would be nice to know exactly what is the truth ? for a change. Maybe then we could all agree on plotting the course.

And thinker has the floor.....7 billion....and the member has the floor.

Cant wait?

CACTUS

the wild west went global
the same things..in differnt times/places
south africa has appartheid...learned how to exile whole populations from what the other coloniser [australia]..did to their blacks

we learned poisening and putting small pox
from what cooks botanist learned in canada
who learned from what the spanish did..to the new world
before looting its silver and gold...for the church/state..[the same thing]

we got ministers swearing to serve the commonwealth
that died with the australia act..lets forget how the crown isnt her royal highness..but a instument of statehoods[dead instruments]..to oppress the living..into serving the dead

but i have wanderd..cause we can read the signs everwhere
we saw the natzi work camps..[who's deaths...made them same companies lording it over the living even today]

workcamps like north korea/china/usa
that are interrnational listed on the stock exchange
for proffit..work camps...getting govt favour..via bad oppressive selective drug laws

think is with the rich dictraiters wealth
they can and have taken over market forces
the finanvcial stystem is broke[read the signs]..

stop the capitalists from demolishing..the things their system created..only to on sell them off to a mate for scrap prices[a mate running a slave camp..

a work camp..called new world order
we have tried to tell shem/show them

but heck they believe the lies..and the lies especially
that they learned in school/sustained via media news...

dumbed down into reading by rote
as a deliberated policy

sold higher education
to the wolves devouring our henhouse [planet]

they fail to see the disparity
refuse to notice the shrinking middle class
refuse to notice house prices..mean you dont even own ya home

in the end..those who owned the banks mortgauges
the faceless men..will own it all..

giving a little to their usefll idiots..
and letting the rest of gods great unique..creations rot..
and die..for what a capitalist lie

corperations [trusts]
owning yet other corperations
the dead*...lol.. sukking all life..out of the living

a dead trust destroying a living trust

black hearted white and yellow men
in black suits serving to feed the beast our life blood

we are run by some trustee
lording it over their trust

its time trusts died
payed their timely..death duties

but wait they/trusts dont die...
so mandate no trust..is to span more than half
of two generations[as long as say..a father to ensure his child to grow up]

no trust can hold patent right
only the living[a specific living being]

we must stop the dead
from killing all living

how much
is too much?

after the first spare million
the rest..must go back to the people..it was plunderd from
reinvested BACK..into the common weal..repay that govt supplied them for free

think who owns
so much land in uk
how about the ab-origonal..[the uk *first people?

from who that was stolen?..
who's enslavement built the huge buildings

whos forced labours filled them with treasure
whos upkeep is now fully paid for...lol..by the national trust
a dead corperation...a dead trust...

uk surely belonged to all of us

not the crown..not the state
you me US...all mate

not just the greedy few
now stealing yet more colenisation wealth..

from yet more commoners..enslaving them to work
for creditor food in work camps..with the vague echo..[work makes you debt free]..till ya kids get a credit card..and another

to pay their phone bills
or a over priced car

or get nmarried
or has a sprog

plus repay exorbitant ursury..on top..

[then when the bankers lend fololish
bail out too big to fail capitalists]...
creating credit..to entrap..via absurd treasonous ursury rates

instead of doing what govt
is supposed to do..serve you

serve the common weal..protect the *COMMON wealth
protect you from the wolves nutters and lawyers
serving the dead beast..[capitalism...and all them other isms]

Sorry for the lack of reply but I still have to survive.OUG,thinker2 and others,Merry Christmas to your and families.

I sense that the worm is turning and the lunatics are losing out to our awareness.Ron Paul looks like winning Iowa and be in the top 3 runners for President.The US Military both ex and present are not happy with the treachery of Wall St or the Fed.

The elites are in confusion but this also makes them very dangerous.'The Grand Chessboard' by Zibigniew Brezezinski is in farcical decay.Power plays be they grand or imaginary never turn out as planned.

Next year will all depend upon how insane the likes of Rothschild,J P Morgan,Goldman Sachs etc really are.They have created this perversion and want total power from the chaos which they've initiated.

if survival means staying silent
on massive abuses of trust
well kill me now

anyhow merry ol xmass to you too
i would get into what xmass is
but was stopped from doing so last year

and am over trying to ask
why merry[getting drunk]..has to do with 'the blood'
his own blood..ghis own drink...by the bucketfull

its said the vatican lords it over us
via some treaty with a dead king

said that vatican...and a few miles of london
are together the much fated crown..not the queen

anyhow its sad
the king has had a heart attack
get well soon phil

we will let you recover
then resume battle next year

we wish the crown the best

knowing the crown is just another dead instrument
[state lying in state]
to allow comerce

to enslave those..who dare not even read our words
and steal their wealth..work and inheritance
god gave to..*ALL of us..EQUALLY!

@^