here is an idea
let all votes be conscience votes
let all votes be by secret ballot

let everyone habve their say
online and in real time

uncensored!

alp should be the same online as the lib/green etc
one open forum..like we got here
where ALL PARTIES GET ONLINE

to let us chose by informed concent
in the same place..[much like here
but a little less partyzen]..

ie not be bombarded with party propganda[spin]
kept in..a one party..one way..my way or the highway

give us facts
not hold selective reports
till the best moment
to leak a bit

set us fre
not put us into a box

not herd us into the slaughter yard
with spin..and backdoor backroom officials..running a global scam

Baygon,

The coalition already has pre-selection for its candidates, so the labor party, far from leading change, has a long way to catch up.

As far as same sex marriage is concerned, firstly, both Juliar and Tony promised that there would be no change to the marriage act. While Juliar regularly breaks election promises, Tony prefers not to. Secondly, any proposed changes to the act would require more than just changing the definition in the act "between a man and a woman". And Labor is not past trying to slide in a raft of other changes under the cover of gay marriage.

If I were a betting man I would guess that after consideration, TA would recommend a conscience vote be allowed for the coalition, but only once the electorate has voted for a mandate at the next election.

Let's face the fact; ALP is never going to reform in the near future. It needs far too much courage, and foresight than what the present Gillard-Swan-Shorten, et al can muster. There is too much of vested interest for the reigning Gillard. She is in denial about the future of the ALP. Meanwhile, the rest of us know that Labour will certainly lose the nest election!! Labour must be utterly trounced and from its demise will rise a new Labour; a Labour Party that is more in line with what Rudd recently proposed and what Blaire (UK) did to modernise (New) British Labour Party. The current APL is in denial simply because the members are feuding as to who will lead, who gets what cabinet posts, etc. Let's hope that Shorten gets a cabinet post and then all of Australia will puke in disgust and walk away from Labour in countless droves. Liberals under Abbott (Mr No) is not a better alternative, either. This only means good news for the Greens & independents. However, A Turnbull lead Coalition will be an unbeatable force for the ALP, Greens and Independents. But sadly, the Liberals are in the same boat as the ALP; feuding members. Who cares about the greater good of the Nation!