Thinker very much agree,runner my true deepest sympathy.
I have held the view for a very longtime Greens are over represented in any online forum.
Not an insult but a truth.
And that members/supporters are a rare mixture, any even brief look at lee R will show a person unlikely to be excepted by most of us.
I also note greens are ok with insulting Labor, but hostile, extremely so, to my views about them.
Mixed with,yes true, Socialist alliance , left of left unions, academics and ABC presenters are green.
But it is a strange thing, some are not even aware the beast they push or pull has real problems.
If free to implement its policy's it would kill this country.
Bob Brown? he is purely a radical, I oppose every thing about him.
And if his supporters knew him they may too.
Greens are, it can not be hidden,disliked and distrusted even despised by far far more than ever would vote for them.
Democrats fell but so did one nation.
Greens live only on Labors refugees and dreamers who in truth do not understand the truly extremist radical nature of this mob.
Now the dislike will bury Me, but face it, my words are true.
One day a greens party that is only conservation/environmental will rise again.
But first the crash.

I wish! yes true,the greens would stops stampeding away from threads that displease them.
It to me, is intellectual surrender a form of self assurance that is cowardly.
I think the greens, a different greens will rise again, in some future time.
Here, no Crystal ball involved, is my reading of the form guide to our political future.
Labor will fall at the next election.
Greens are an enigma, they can get a further one percent or find them selves back on ten, I go for ten maybe 9.
A Liberal Government will be unable to keep its promises and fall at the next election, badly.
Greens in that election will be decimated,SHY by then will be as well loved as Gillard! not at all.
After that,Labor and Liberals have the reigns, if they see conservation as benefit it may kill forever the greens,5% never rules.
If not? they will bring the greens back.
A clear headed look at the policy's of the greens will scare little children.

Meanwhile there are reports from Victoria that Rhiannon is white-anting Brown and courting the Vic Greens, whilst singing the praises of Hanson-Young, (who has her own set of ambitions).

SHY a beautiful woman,until she opens her mouth is preferable over the other just.
This country has always, rewarded the big mouth small brain folk.
Flying peanut for one, it comes with the bib and brace overalls and straw hat.
So both may rise before falling LEE is a danger, so far left she is lost.
However too 12% is not much of a base and if Australian gets to see and hear more of these two? 8% can be the number all too soon.
A sales man/woman wanting to sell some thing should think about those who do not currently own one, keeping party members happy and others angry seems unsellable to me.

I'm not so much talking about the Greens and their status as radicals Belly, so much as Labor failing to recognise the drift too the Greens occurring at their fundamental support base.

If the Greens gain enough drift to decimate the Labor Party electorally, but fail to win enough support to attain Major Party status, the LNP will win.

This process disempowers voters of course and allows a window of opportunity, for the cream of the Neo Right to regain control of Australia. They will ensure that we wont get rid of them this time and entrench themselves.

I don't think it is extreme to have onshore processing of refugees, I don't think it is extreme to go further in reversing the confrontational Industrial System introduced by the Howard Gov't and restore some rights in the workplace. I don't think it is extreme to be anti-war or pro conservation. I don't think it is extreme to *include gold in the mining tax*. In fact these were the policies of the Labor Party I grew up with and loved, 20 yrs ago or more Belly. *And indeed was the policy of a recent labor PM beginning with R.

I am one of the Labor core drift to the Greens only because the policies of todays Labor Party resemble those of the enemy conservatives 20 yrs ago. Having a Labor conference about gay marriage are we ?, and exporting uranium to countries that are not signatory to the nuclear non- proliferation treaty ?. I wont be buying the paper on monday Belly.

The Murdoch press will be having a field day over this one, as it continues to promote smear, intrigue and innuendo disguised as political coverage, to voters already confused by their Labor Party already.

The Greens in my view Belly, are the least of our worries.

Thinker 2 all understood.
If you put together enough to open a small business would you first research.
Ask is there a market.
Would you take out advertising and try to attract the attention of the customers.
A business like everything comes down to maths/ numbers.
Why do you think the ALP has moved to the right.
Why the Liberals?
Did they both move then try to create a market.
Or did their research, ongoing for both party's tell them what the customers wanted.
National Party,a servant of Liberalism is not green like.
It largely follows its masters footsteps.
Strengthening its whole.
Greens, minority, and many, too many, like you wanting to drag the ALP in to no sales land, weaken the whole.
Well not the whole Conservatives love them..
You,your fellow travelers will not drag Labor back to lost election land.
Like the Liberals they have made their investments built their shop front and passing trade knows them.
Any chance we can truly look at greens numbers?
Right now at the top of a wave, discontent with both party's.
Both sides know they have much to gain, by stopping the silliness that saw Liberal preferences put your only member in the lower house.
One Nation fell to Abbott you will be hurt badly in the next two elections.
Harsh? I think a million Australians who vote Labor would vote Liberal before the Greens, include me, no heat no anger just understanding
Australia is not ever going to have such a radical government.