"Man's an amazing animal. He kills wildlife, birds, kangaroos, deer, cats, dogs, beavers, mice and foxes by the millions in order to protect his animals and their feed.

"Then he kills his animals by the billions and eats them.

"This in turn kills men by the millions because eating all those animals leads to degenerative and fatal health conditions like heart diseases, kidney failure and cancers.

"So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to look for a cure.

"Elsewhere millions of other humans are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten farmed animals.

"Meanwhile some people are dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of men who kill so easily and violently and then send out cards once a year praying for peace on earth."

If you want to "stick to topic" Is Mise, what is the topic? That the Catholic Church allows self-defence? Thats not news man. What is the purpose of starting this thread? I think would be a good question. It's supposed to be about firearms isn't it? Or is it about nuclear weapons? Personally, I don't think Iran should have them for "self-defence" even if the Catholic Church allows it.

The purpose of this thread was not to point out that the Catholic Church allowed self defence but that it REQUIRES self defence from its adherents and also their lawful defence of others.

Oliver,
The references that you saw about neutral states leaving their lights on probably refered to Dublin and London. It was a ridiculous piece of British propaganda that German pilots used the lights of Dublin to home in on London.

digiwigi,
The position of Pius XII in WW II was as one 'walking on a tight rope'.
Since then there has been condemnation and praise for him from Jewish people. Certainly over 4,000 Allied PsOW escaped the Germans due to a Vatican approved escape organization headed by Mons. Hugh O'Flaherty,
based in the Vatican.
The story of Hugh O'Flaherty was made into a film "The Scarlet Pimpernel of the Vatican" and stared Gregory Peck.

So, the Vatican requires that people protect each other? Wow, that IS a modern and relevant topic, gee I'm glad you brought this to our attention. I would never have known, thanks again.

Well, at least the Vatican doesn't play favourites, they also smuggled out hundreds of Nazis after the war to escape prosecution for war crimes.

More than the Allied servicemen that they helped escape from the Germans?