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Return of Kevin Rudd would be beneficial

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Dear individual,

Alas, there remain in Queensland some individuals, who still have sympathies to Bjelke Petersen's rule. Even more, in Russia, there are still some individuals, who place a photo of tyrant Stalin on windscreens of their cars despite millions of his rule's victims. Memory of some individuals can be surprisingly short, and perception very selective...
I am not surprised that such individuals might support Mr Abbott, but, apparently, their support is counter-productive and make a very negative endorsement for Tony Abbott.
Posted by Andreas Berg', Sunday, 6 November 2011 9:16:15 AM
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Joh even attempted to do away with "the right to assemble" Indi.

Recent events of new Coalition states flexing their muscles with protesters are a taste of the future, with right in the Coalition positioning itself as the centre, all the while being urged by extremists in their parties from the sidelines. Abbott is just the front nutter , its the other nutters that are backing him, that worries me.

There are people like Cory Bernadi behind the scenes running campaigns on social Networks, drumming up confrontation and the politics of division amongst the young, versed and trained directly by the Tea Party of American fame. This is one example of the type of thing I mean when I refer to the deliberate and concerted campaign by the right to position itself at the centre of conservative Australian politics. People like Peter Reith making public statements and positioning Abbott now, in order that promises made now, can be broken once elected, is another.

This morning I heard some person representing the HR Nicholls Society saying that Fairwork umpires should only be thinking about wages and that companies had a sovereign right "not to negotiate", about contracts if they don't want too . This is not moderate thinking; this is based ultimately upon the misbegotten belief that the so called "trickle down effect" exists. Meaning, making the rich richer at any cost, makes everyone better off.

"A complete nonsense invented by some ideological twit", whom although he actually knew about it and was recipient of it ; dishonestly "did not include greed in the equation".

One vote may have cost us our future King Hazza when Turnbull lost the leadership, and Turnbull is much more PM material than Abbott that is true, but I think schools still out on which who will prove the better PM material Rudd or Gillard. Gillard is not finished yet.
Posted by thinker 2, Sunday, 6 November 2011 10:53:01 AM
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Thinker 2 I like the way your mind works even when we disagree.
Time wasting trying to talk to Indy, he however highlights a truth.
Australians, not just Queenslanders, like such as the flying peanut.
We however should understand, its not half way it is love or hate.
Abbott, history will support me, talks nearly as much drivel.
He taps in to an Australian willingness to believe the worst,and fall for rumors.
I think, after much turning it over my Labor party, full of inside information we, voting public do not know.
And a better understanding of the fraudulent nature of the oppositions policy and actions, think voters know.
Think voters could not be so silly and will not vote Abbott in.
Here lays the real problem, intent on this self blinding wrong, Labor could not give free pies and water to starving Kenyans, it fails to sell its achievements.
To look over its shoulder at me and its voters.
If Gillard still leads at election time, no joke, I just do not think my party wants to win or me to vote for it.
Rudd Shorten please.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 6 November 2011 11:46:16 AM
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The worst conservative isn't as useless as the best ALP candidate. Deny that one with some proof please.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 6 November 2011 12:26:30 PM
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Dear Individual,

Always argue in a logical manner.

Sound reasoning will conquer unreasonable
generalisations every time. For instance if arguing
about politics don't say, "The worst conservative
isn't as useless as the best ALP condidate." That makes
you appear to be arguing on an emotional level - not a
mature intelligent one.

A more effective approach would be a subtle hint that some
conservative politicians, do achieve a great deal. This
approach may be unlikely in the heat of the moment, but
it has more chance of winning you points.

Cheers.
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 6 November 2011 12:56:21 PM
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Obviously we have quite a few people here who must have been fans of West Wing, [the TV show].

They don't like politicians, but do like actors.

You don't have to be too perceptive to see that Rudd never made a single statement that wasn't scripted with the audience response in mind. If ever anything truthful passed his lips, it was definitely only in private.

Some labor people must like being deceived, they want to give this actor a rerun.

These same people are attracted to Turnbull, another experiences actor, although perhaps not quite as accomplished as Rudd at playing the punters, he's from the same, [is it method], school.

Would all those theater lovers please form their own party, & take this pair out of the general picture. Enough money will attract them, as there is no ideology conflict to be avoided, neither of them have any.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 6 November 2011 1:34:25 PM
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