Poirot,

Possibly an excess of testosterone has driven the fair sex to find more convivial company !

SD

What ever happened is now in the past and all this blame gaming will not change that.

Governments, unions, workers and Qanta now need to look to the future.

No if I were Qantas I would be in a non negotiable position, period!

My position would be this.

I would propose to the government, not the unions, that either we pay the same rates as our competitors, or, we leave.

The government then, along with the unions have two choices.

1. Wages get reduced.
2. The government subsidizes Qantas so they can stay.

Either way, the government looses as they can't save one business and ignore all others.

Furthermore, they have taken away the rights of many workers to negotiate a deal that best suits them, often when money is not the motivator.

So in essense, the government, by making their changes to the IR system, have made a rod for thier own backs and they have no way out.

It comes back to the same issues, if a person wants to work for X and X may not just be about money and, the employer is happy with that, why does it have to be ok,d by the government.

Most things in business are negotiable, exept wages and conditions and this is what is driving th e Qantas dispute.

Jus remember, we can all help save Aussie jobs, by buying only Aussie made and using Aussie owned and staffed services, bu it comes at a price.

Joe average is just not prepared to pay that price.

Well, nor are the likes of Qantas

Pay the same price as their competitors, With baggage handlers qantas is still going to need them, in melb no matter where they are based. Your grossly overestimated wages of baggage handlers, does nothing for the argument. It is up to qantas to resolve their own disputes. if they have the capacity to do so.

Poirot true! Lexi is back hope some of the others return.
Well yabby my answer is clear stop propping up Quantas.
Australia needs another airline on every internal route.
Open them up let the best win.
you can just bet if workers had shut it down you would change your tune
Joyce is a paid hit man.

grossly overestimated wages of baggage handlers,
579,
give us the real figures then ? A Virgin 777 FO gets 115 grand, how much does Qantas 767 FO get ? Bet it's a lot more. 7 years ago a Qantas 747 jump seat jockey was on 85 grand, ages before he got his grubby little fingers on the yoke. They are overpaid, it's as simple as that. So are many professionals especially those on the public payroll.
When we get told people want more money then please tell us how much they're on already.
We want to know if we should support them or not, after all we're paying.

579, Qantas don't need us, if anything , we need them.

Remember, just being here is costing them 200$Mil per year.

Now as belly says, let others in.

So, others will either use outside staff or, face the same fate that Qantas have.

So, why not keep Qantas and work out how to save the local jobs.

Forget about a pay rise, cause it's simply not going to happen, work on how th workers can get the same pay and Qantas can save the money they need to.

That's the cruts of the matter.

We either find a solution, or they go.

A reasonable wage would be better than no wage.