Hi SPQR,
My goodness, you must be about the last person in Australia who still gives any credibility to Plimer.
You can read a thorough demolition of his misleading and highly selective use of data here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/04/the_science_is_missing_from_ia.php
here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/apr/21/iceland-volcano-climate-sceptics
and here:
http://tbp.mattandrews.id.au/2009/06/06/debunking-plimer-heaven-and-earth/
The last one is penned by the president of the Australian Academy of Science, Dr Kurt Lambech.
Plimer - a geologist, not a climate scientist, by the way - has made money from his books but has been thoroughly discredited by the scentific community.
Cheers,
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

I do it now and again.
Publicly ask that we, each review our opinions.
And lets see, in private look at my expressed views opinions, ideas, about once a day.
So I will review my thoughts,on this subject, based on the views and opinions published just in OLO by those on the other side.
My tendency to agree with mainstream politicians, both sides that man has/is impacting on climate?
Makes me a fool and a tool, to Germany's attempt to rule the world.
A reason to tax the bigjazzus out of every one.
A conspiracy against todays fuel owners.
Well need I go on.
My understanding it is not about Carbon, but all polluting gas?
A fear , near certainty we are polluting the planet, so why not its atmosphere?
Well silly old bloke that I am, maybe I should retreat to the garden.
Do I after all these years not understand it is the views of others not my side that count.
Now yes, the planet is getting hotter, but in not under standing, not caring, the local fish shop owner has studied this issue, IN DEPTH!
Reading all about it on the paper he wraps the fish in.
See it has happened before, it will again, it will be good!
Good for my garden, it will grow better, it does now, on the product of deniers.
Silly old fool! do I not know the rising seas will be ok, fish at my door, more storms more rain more fires more drought.
Come on Belly! Get with it Chinese say it in blessing us
May you live in interesting times
You have/do
Fish shop rules ok.

Hi Anthony
<< you must be about the last person in Australia who still gives any credibility to Plimer>>

Not quite: This one was penned by Don Aitkin, a former member of the Australian Science and Technology Council and Foundation Chairman of the Australian Research Council in response to your Kurt Lambeck citation.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2009/06/in-defence-of-heaven-and-earth/

But if you think it is about demonizing anyone who does see eye-to- eye with you, you've already moved beyond science an into the realms of religion or politics.

Plimer only needs to be right once, and he shoots down your pet hypothesis.

Cheers

Addendum:
But if you think it is about demonizing anyone who does NOT see eye-to- eye with you, you've already moved beyond science anD into the realms of religion or politics.

Hi SPQR,
Difficult to see where I've demonised anyone. I just offered analasis by scientists who used complete instead of selective data to show Plimer's deceptions.
Please don't shoot the messenger.
Now as for your suggestion that I have entered the realms of religion, I would respectfully point out that I'm not the one who is clinging to outdated beliefs in the face of vast and ever growing scientific opinion to the contrary.
Cheers,
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Hi Anthonyv,

<< Difficult to see where I've demonized anyone>>

So I take it, you don't see examples like these:

i) " a handful of ‘Scientists-for-hire’"
ii) "Many of these are the same scientists who, not many years ago, were still arguing that there
was no scientific proof that smoking causes cancer"
iii) "Plimer...by the way - has made money from his books but has been thoroughly discredited by the scientific community", and
IV) Your little Tolkienesque parable --which you've now linked to twice.

As in anyway designed to denigrate?

<<I would respectfully point out that I'm not the one who is clinging to outdated beliefs in the face of vast and ever growing scientific opinion to the contrary.>>

And I would respectfully point out to you, that when you support the left side of politics climate change agenda, you are not just ticking the box for us to reduce pollution and develop alternative forms of energy -- to which I say bravo!

But, you are also supporting a wider political platform that will see Australian industries and workers handicapped re their main competitors; will see Australia lumbered with what amounts to reparations for the underdeveloped worlds climate “damage” (which in mostly cases results from their own bad governance); and will see more power ceded to corrupt bodies like the UN.

I do hope you consider this when you're doing all "[you] can to ensure that [ your grandchildren] can live out their lives in a world at least as pleasant as the one I've been able to enjoy"

Cheers,