Sonofgloin,

The alternative being that you actually take the time to understand my post. But apparently you didn't, either through lack of will or lack of intellect

We can not ignore this subject is not truly being debated .
I see entrenched positions, at least I research my view daily on this all important subject.
A view that defies science as SOG does so very often must ask questions about his views.
Again
WHY
Would any party lie, well if I owned energy, big energy, I would protect it.

Been thinking about this subject all day.
After posting I got a load of top soil and spread it but could not stop thinking.
No not about true or false afraid I now believe strongly we contribute to climate change and must reduce our impact.
But why do we clash so heatedly, why do each side challenge the science.
Science took us to the moon showed us our DNA cured Polio, so very much more.
We know the earth is not flat,some of us do, we goggle instead of searching books.
But ignore science if it says some thing we do not want to know.
Deny if you wish, but for some time this threads subject WAS USED against us,
Now he is a fool?
And science its self, those who study different subjects, know little of climate, are put before us to prove?
Anthony history will indeed justify us.

I've just checked into this thread and find it a bit disappointing, although I shouldn't be surprised - this is a debate about global warming. The thread's based on a false premise. Muller does not say that temperature increase is due to man as you can tell by a bit of Google research. Here is the original op-ed http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204422404576594872796327348.html and here is the BBC interview http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9621000/9621049.stm.

His study is restricted to trying to determine how much warming there has been and his figures are in line with everyone else's. No big deal. Most credible skeptics that I know of accept that the earth has warmed in the last 150 years or so and it has never been a major issue although Anthony Watt has done some great work showing how shoddy the climate network is in the USA. Notwithstanding that it seems that even poorly sited weather stations measure relative temperature fairly well.

Muller also says that he can see no evidence that global warming has slowed. That is contrasted against the claims that there has been no warming for the last 13 or so years.

On this point I've done a blog piece drawing on a graph constructed by the GWPF using Muller's data which he has made freely available via Berkeley's web site and there is no warming for the last 10 or so years. However, the biggest point of interest in that for me is that 2010 appears to have been a quite cool year, even though other groups claimed it to be the warmest, or equal warmest. http://www.ambitgambit.com/2011/10/31/best-data-show-2010-as-unusually-cool/. And by "quite cool" I mean "very cool".

The bottom line is that Muller's work gives no reason to anyone to change their view as to whether global warming is manmade, or likely to be cataclysmic. It does however tend to confirm recent instrumental measurements that temperatures are increasing.

Interesting this bloke claiming to be a "Renowned Global Warming Skeptic".

It truly is breath taking how these global warmers can lie, with a straight face, I guess they get plenty of practice.

It's equally not surprising that none of the warmers have denounced his lies.

A couple of quotes of his previous position.

Here from 2003; “carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels will prove to be the greatest pollutant of human history.”

Again from 2008;“The bottom line is that there is a consensus and the president needs to know what the IPCC says”.

Please Trashy, Thinker & the rest of you, would you say that sounds like a "renowned" skeptic talking.

It really is at the stage these warmists can no longer speak the truth. Lying is all they know. They know their case is so weak that they can't help embellishing it, every time they speak, to try to make it stronger. It is probable the truth would now choke them.

GY ok but have you a comment on the standard issue denier Hasbeen thoughts about us believers?
I understand you point, is it going to be as bad as some say, but am convinced man plays a role.
And that we can, with out much pain do better.
I however question the standard issue answer from such as Hasbeen, the debate strangling, use of the lie word.
Any, at all? truly think one side is lie telling the other TOTALLY right.