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Gillard on the nose with men

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Suze, nobody suggested it was Gillard's gender that people object to, merely that men have decided they don't like her.I'd suggest that there are lots of reasons for that, although probably not her gender per se. If anything, it's her gender that's allowing her to retain even the tiny level of support she has among women.

I do wish you'd try to respond to the posts as written, instead of going off half-cocked. It doesn't add to the thread and it makes you look dopey.

Runner:"If the Labour party decided to promote women on the basis of ability rather than quotas they would not end up nearly as embarassed."

That was my point. In the desperation to try to milk "the women's vote" they promoted someone who was simply not up to the job and then saddled her with the fairies at the bottom of the garden to boot.

It would be comical if ti wasn't so serious.
Posted by Antiseptic, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 7:03:20 AM
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Wonder what the difference is between "Suseonline" and "suzeonline"?
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 7:22:33 AM
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The Carbon Tax issue and previous failings with pink batts and BER has far more to do with it than the PM's gender and general discontent with the ALP. Afterall being a man did not help Rudd. Bottom line it has nothing to do with gender except perhaps in the minds of a few old fashioned types.

The only exception I would make is the deposing of Mr Rudd by a woman I think has affected the psyche of many Australians than if it had been a man, but that is my own personal observation in speaking with colleagues, men and women alike.

Why judge any future female PM or politician on the basis of another woman's performance. We don't do it to men so why the double standard?

People seem more concerned with lack of policy rigour than with the gender of the players. Most of the players are men so do we judge the sad state of the political landscape and say it must be the men's fault. The Australian people are better than that I hope.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 8:18:42 AM
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Gillard on the nose with men?

I don't doubt that for a moment.

She's also on the nose with many women.
The reasons why this is
so is not because she's a female (although
it may true for a small minority). However
the reasons for her unpopularity could be
linked to the way she came to power. As well as
the fact that she has not come across as a
leader in terms of her ability
to shape the nation's agenda.

Unfortunately, she seems to have
rather poor communication skills and appears
to lack conviction, and the ability to carry the
policy debate. All in all it's the
Peter Principle all over again where
the complexities and challenges of being
Prime Minister are far above the level
she's both comfortable with - and for which her
abilities are best suited.

Perhaps with time she may learn "on the job,"
and overcome the difficulties she's currently
facing if she can deliver positive outcomes
and improve her abilities to carry the policy
debate. Of course having an Opposition Leader
who's driven by his own ruthless ambition and
is determined to use every weapon available
to get her out of office - doesn't help her
situation.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 1:16:00 PM
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cont'd ...

There's a couple of other factors that I forgot
to add. The PM's dependence on the support of
the Greens and Independents may also give some
the perception that these people are controlling
the agenda. Add the fact that her difficulties
have been overshadowed by her government's accomplishments
and you've got a PM whose perforamce is being perceived
as lacklustre to say the least. She's also criticised
for her use of cliches and "management speak," and this
further fuels the impression that she's controlled by
"focus groups." Would things have been that much different
had Tony Abbott won the support of the Greens and the
Independents and was Prime Minister in a minority government
instead of Julia Gillard? The problems would certainly
not have gone away no matter who was PM. I doubt though whether Abbott would have had an Opposition leader who would seek to destroy
his government at all costs.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 3:06:55 PM
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Charming response from you as usual Antiseptic.

Any comments you write are always gender based, so my comments about Gillard were right on the mark actually.

Many people are still shocked a woman actually attained the PM job over all those men.
The fact remains that she did so, and is Australia's first female PM, so I respect her for that.

I will say what I like about any subject Antiseptic, whether you think it is 'dopey' or not...
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 3:09:02 PM
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