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Would you have preferred a global
depression?
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I agree with most you've said, Yabby. But we going to get global
depression anyway. All they did was pee people off and extend D Day. It aint over yet.

*Can you enlighten us as to where they went wrong....and why do things seem to be operating as business as usual even after the great hope, Obama, was elected....?*

Because Poirot, after the people elected Obama, they later cut
his testicles off by voting a majority in the Senate etc as
Republicans. So he can't move on anything and republicans want it
that way. They want a sick economy until election day next year,
to get rid of him.

*All they did was pee people off and extend D Day. It aint over yet.*

RawMustard, just because you are going to die one day, does not mean
that you need to shoot yourself tomorrow. The present crisis is
EU based, a far greater problem then America. That was caused by
Govts living it up on borrowed money until now their Visa card is
stuffed. If Govts can't pay their debts and have no printing presses,
they will drag down a good portion of Europes banks with them, who
loaned them the money.

Let's cut to the chase and stop all the BS.Who creates all the money in the West,to equal increases in our productivity + inflation?

IT IS THE PRIVATE BANKING SYSTEM WHO OWNS OUR PRODUCTIVITY BY VIRTUE OF CREATING FROM NOTHING,ALL THE MONEY TO EQUAL IT! WE ARE THEIR DEBT SLAVES! ALL OTHER ARGUEMENTS ARE DRIVEL AND MEANINGLESS.

Arjay, you really do need a nice cup of tea and a good lie down.
Then perhaps ring for help, you are becoming increasingly obsessed,
its no good for your health you know.

I am nobody's debt slave. I worked my arse off years ago, but
I don't owe anybody anything. So speak for yourself.

We've explained the private banking system to you, but you will
continue to read your conspiracy websites. If your heart goes
pfffft, with all the rage, all the money in the world won't help
I'm afraid.

I understand what you're saying, Yabby. But where now? The disparity between the have's and the havenot's is huge. The problem as I see it is the havenot's want to suck more from people who actually are prepared to work, governments are made up of these types so we're in a no win situation.

It was governments endevour to protect the havenot's that allowed the have's to make the fortunes they have. The laws passed in years gone by have benefited the have's far more than the havenot's. whether this was intentional or not is another huge debate, but as the havenot's have felt more trodden on, they've demanded more of the same which has led them to where we are today. How do we make people realise they need to stop demanding government help them and get the hell out of our lives so we can all compete freely?

The attack on wall street is justified IMHO. But I don't think they really understand what they're protesting.

And I know you don't agree with Arjay's views, but he is correct from a certain point of view. Monopolies are never good and a private monopoply on the creation of currency is the worst you could have.

Rawmustard, nope, I think that Arjay is wrong. At the end of the day,
profits from Reserve Banks land up back with Govt treasuries. There
are good reasons to create seperation between politicians and the
printing press. Imagine the pork barreling, if that were not the case.

As to the rest, I've always maintained that the speed of change is
governed by the speed of communication. In the days of the carrier
pigeon, that was pretty slow. The letter speeded things up, the
fax even more, now with information flow globally and instantly,
so is the speed of change. That is very unsettling for a great many
people, as people prefer some kind of certainty in their lives.

Think about it. If you worked for Nokia just a few years ago, the
world was your oyster, now nobody wants to talk to you. Everyone
globally is now innovating and so change is far more rapid then ever
before. If you own a bookshop, a video store or a music store, you
have or are about to lose your shirt, as the world moves on without you. etc.
There are many examples.

All this change is producing all sorts of winners and losers. China's
explosion is adding to all that, in a place like Australia.

So to try and cut it short, I think that all these dramatic changes
in society are producing alot of restlessness and uncertainty.

I see that in the town closest to where I live. A bloke might have
a good job, but the wife likes to spend a bit and sees what fly in
fly out miners are bringing home and how they are living it up.
People compare, now she wants what those women have. etc. Next
thing he's off to the mines. Had that opportunity not existed,
they probably would have been quite content with the world.

Peoples ever growing expectations are IMHO the real problem. I
am quite happy and appreciate what I have, but it seems many don't.
They always want more