individual
At first I could not believe what I was reading - manner clearly left your house some time ago. What a deeply tragic, bitter and resentful post - it is not worth responding to any further.

pelican,
it was meant that way only you obviously can't appreciate what some of us have lost under that useless outfit that harbours the likes of Wong at our expense. Now that is tragic.

Individual:"what some of us have lost"

The rush to remake society into a half-arsed Fabian worker's paradise, in which everyone is a worker; even mums with babies, even old people who might have expected to enjoy a comfortable retirement, even the nice people who used to enjoy helping people because helping people is a nice thing to do have been told they need to work "for the good of the country", has been a gross failure of public policy and the greatest shame of the ALP, it seems to me.

They have been enablers for the Corporatist dream of full employment at minimal wages.

The destruction of the family unit is another of those gross policy failures that has to be laid at the feet of the ALP, who introduced both the Family Law Act and the CSA for cynical political motives that amounted to an attempt to buy the votes of middle-class women, who now own the party through Emily's List.

Hasn't that worked out well for them?

Well it is the first time I have read the LNP as a Fabian influenced group. They set the standard for the 'everyone as workers' mindset Antiseptic. ALP was equally responsible for pushing the neo-liberal bandwagon. Please tell me how they differ in this respect.

I still don't see the point of making appalling statements about Penny Wong as relevant to the failures of the ALP and as I said it is just poor manners not to mention highly discriminatory.

Perhaps you should change your username 'individual' as clearly you only respect the individualism of those whose views or sexuality match your own.

Actually, Pelican, it was Hawke who started the ball rolling in a big way.

http://www.curriculum.edu.au/cce/default.asp?id=15391

"The Hawke Government’s most important initiative was the Prices and Incomes Accord, which was an agreement reached with trade unions and workers to make the economy more productive by trying to keep wages and inflation rises low."

and

"An initiative which improved the status of women in Australian society generally, and in the workplace, was the passing of the Sex Discrimination Act in 1984, which made it illegal for women to be discriminated against on the basis of their gender, and gave legal support to women who were, for the first time, entering occupations which were previously considered the preserve of men."

Of course, women weren't entering such occupations "for the first time" at all, merely being set up to dominate the more influential, such as law, public bureaucracy and education.

Purest Fabian gradualism in the service of Corporate interests.

Also, the Child Support legislation was introduced in 1988 (Hawke again)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Support_Agency_%28Australia%29#History_.26_evolution_of_the_scheme

while the Family Law Act was a Whitlam creation.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/MULR/2000/30.html

Dear Pelly,

I'm convinced that some people make statements in order
to elicit reactions that confirm their negative views of
women. They also create threads in which they can
continue to feel victimized. Best to ignore these people
they are as Ammonite so aptly described - "toss-pots."

BTW:

Here's a few interesting names listed as being Fabians:

John Elliot, Andrew Peacock, Arbi Parvo, Rubert Murdoch,
John Howard, Kerry Packer, Robert Holmes-acourt, Alan Bond,
Malcolm Fraser, and more.