The misinformation your espousing omits the countries already running very effective emissions trading schemes for some time, and at the same time are very successful functioning as a manufacturing and export based economy such as Germany.

This is a country is flourishing in manufacturing at the same time as allowing for for effective carbon pollution reduction, SM.

The misinformation here you seek to distribute is a denial of progress SM rather than a solution/recipe for the future. That's the sad fact of political debate in Australia is it is driven by an Abbott led opposition bent on destruction. Even more worrying are the behind the scenes work done by people like Cory Bernardi drumming up hysteria among the young in various shapes and forms of right wing politics, tub thumping and general propaganda.

The Minority Gov't from my assessment looks set to continue to deliver it's agenda in a reasonably settled coalition. The Greens will continue to hold the balance of power.

"The Abbott tactic of promising to reverse the carbon tax is the only way he could continue to make his opposition too the carbon tax relevant".

For Abbott to invent such a rank political tactic, hell bent on destruction, until he gains Gov't by stealth is a truly scary prospect in a PM, SM.

The Liberals have the problem of a much more palatable leader in Turnbull waiting for the opportunity to re-ascend to the leadership, throw out the scare mongering tactics and get on with being credible as an alternative Gov't.

When the carbon tax is a reality in law and the dust settles, Abbott's perceived future for us will be consigned to annuls of political history, or the dumpster appropriately shredded, as with the opposition's climate action policy.

I agree with Trash on this one SM.

T2,

German manufacturing flourishing? obviously you haven't been there recently.

Given that support for the carbon tax is at an all time low, with an almost 2:1 opposition in the public, this is not a losing platform.

Labor also has a lack of trust issue.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/families-to-get-more-cash-from-carbon-scheme-20111018-1lyt8.html
Such threads are not forums for open debate.
Like road kill the usual suspects come to feed.
And others to try to lift the level to something near truth.
This link independent,will be ignored by the U. S. why spoil a good mud bath with truth.
But in time after implementation.
I will remember the flights of fantasy seen here.

It will all be OK on the day?

I remember NSW saying that.

given tonies opposition
and the voters opposition
its only a matter of time till this cancer
to tripple the cost of energy..becomes void

it will take a double disolution
to dismantle the slush fund

milne today revealed 3 industries for which the slush fund was formed
virgin/some power company with brown coal?]..and others selling the green nightmare[she didnt mention ge..who does nicely out of making many windmills and alternate generation means

on windmills its funny how often
we wee only one working..in the back ground shots

also worth noting is in the background shot of the greenie bob promo
him sitting on a hill in front of his house?...with a smokey wood fire streaming from his chimminy[full of co2]..

noting the usual smoking chimminies
we see on the news are belching out steam[
but bobs is pure c02..

[we didnt see his compost bin..
belching out methane [another greenhouse gas]

why are we paying double the world market rate c02 tax?
heck with all the lies thats the only way the model worked out the numbers

its built on lies
if it was true..there would be no need for spin nor lies
but the double standards they speak volumes

this 12 billion slush fund
is collusion verging on treason

any fool BYING carbon permits..or paying the c02/tax on our bills
is a sukker...deduct it from your bill..[after you sue them for fraud]

of course that is what i should be saying
but to default alone..is a danger..but if we [the 2/3 rds default together...they cant jail us all

heck recall ghandi
one measly tax on salt
here we got rafts of taxes..and govt servants
looking to add on the next one..then the next one..and the next

its about taxing cheap energy into a cash cow..for those needing expensive energy.;.to sell their product..im sick of subsisdiing those who abuse their energy usage

the more you use
the more you should have to pay
regardless if you got free solar cells or wind

much too greedy energy users..
using up too much energy
thats the real problem

It's all very well to tout stats from unidentified sources as an argument SM, but it doesn't wash.

You haven't addressed my comments re Turnbull I note, nor have you addressed my proposition that the only way for Abbott's argument against carbon pricing too remain relevant, is too swear in blood to reverse it. Otherwise it will all go away, the scaremongering by itself, will not wash when the reality of carbon pricing is with us.

Must keep the public focussed on the negatives too remain relevant ole Tony. Just as you often do yourself SM. In fact ever since Tony Abbott this is the modus operandi of the Liberals and their cronies. Policy is a made up patchwork quilt of maybes and maybe nots. But consistently they doomsay with nasty inflammatory personal jibes and spears directed at various members of the Gov't to colour their argument.

Recently the intensity of remarks made by Julie Bishop "PM on death row" and Alan Jones's "put her in a chaff bag and throw her out to sea" and "lying scrag" actually broadcast on TV, is shameful if not dangerous and denigrating of the highest public office in our land. It also denigrates women in my view. As for Julie Bishop how would you like to have her as your countries front line diplomat ?. Perhaps she could give our trading partners the death stare.

To get back on topic SM in your opening post "by Australia you mean our polluters don't you ?, because Australia as whole is not paying this price on carbon, the polluters are. This policy is being implemented to encourage growth in new clean and sustainable energy production.

And, where do you get the figures that provide the basis for your opening question, some right wing think tank ?.