Shadow Minister,

First, learn to spell your Prime Minister's name properly. Respect for you takes a massive nose dive every time you regurgitate such shock-jockisms.

Secondly,

It's a bit rich supporters of Tony Abbott accusing the Government of telling lies. No-one in Parliament has been caught out more than him. Gillard had to compromise on her position because of the hung parliament. Abbott just went back on his because "it wasn't in writing".

The Coalition under Abbott is probably the most irresponsible Opposition this country has ever had. It's entire scaremongering campaign is based on made-up "facts" designed to undermine the government and drive down consumer and business confidence and create massive uncertainty about what is one of the OECD's most robust economies at the moment.

And here you are, parrotting Coalition made-up "facts":
"...modelling that is deliberately distorted (assuming that most other countries will have a carbon tax)..."

Very few countries are not moving towards ETS systems. What you are saying is a blatant lie. Modelling was not deliberately distorted, that is another blatant lie, unless you actually have evidence.

Australia is leading the way here for once and the leader of the opposition wants us to start heading backwards. He is, by his own hand, a detriment to the Australian economy. Consumer/business confidence is down because of his negative campaigning, and jobs are being lost as a result.

Trash,

"Very few countries are not moving towards ETS systems"

Perhaps you could name them. Particularly those likely to have an ETS by 2015/16. Certainly none of china, the USA, Canada, india, etc. Without our trading partners and competitors adopting a price on carbon, jobs will tend to move to lower cost producers, and total emissions will not change.

Julia Gillard looked us all in the eye and solemnly promised no carbon tax. She is a liar. Her nick name is thus Juliar, and is recognized by that moniker by most Australians.

Further fudging is that costs per house hold will increase by $9.90 and compensation will be about $10.20. Even if that is true, it is only valid for the first year, and then the price continues to rise.

SM,

You accuse Gillard of lying in the same post as lying yourself. Or would you rather consider yourself just misinformed? Pick your poison.

"Certainly none of china, the USA, Canada, india, etc."

More made-up "facts" from the Coalition camp. Both China and India are moving towards ETS, with pilot programs currently in place. Perhaps national schemes won't be in place by 2015, but that is not relevant. Japan is also heading in the same direction.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/10/carbon-tax-emissions-trading-international

http://www.environmental-finance.com/news/view/1678

So why are you lying to us Shadow Minister?

As for Gillard's so-called lie:

Do you know the difference between a lie and a broken promise? For Gillard to have lied, she would have to have known she was going to introduce a carbon tax (btw it's not a tax anyway).

Do you have evidence that Gillard knew she would have to negotiate with the Greens to circumvent the Hung Parliament when she made that statement, prior to the election? Can you prove she could see into the future? Or do you have evidence that she was planning a Carbon Tax when she said she wouldn't. Of course not.

Example of a broken promise: "never ever GST"

Example of a lie: Children Overboard

Trash, you are lying through your teeth.

My statements are correct, I just think you have a logic deficit, as you agree with my statements later that there will be nothing by 2015.

All we have is a few minuscule pilot schemes, with no plan or commitment to anything even this decade. The "movement" is at best glacial, and more likely window dressing.

It is no surprise that Rio Tinto is divesting itself of the Australian Aluminium smelters, which are doomed under the carbon tax.

Thanks Shadow Minister for further evidence of misinformation from your team.

The fact that Rio Tinto is divesting 13 aluminium assets globally, including in the US, was a bit inconvenient for you to mention wasn't it? Rio's aluminium arm has been unprofitable for many years and they've said it's got nothing to do with the carbon tax. I can't see how a carbon tax here would be causing them to sell up in the US.

"All we have is a few minuscule pilot schemes, with no plan or commitment to anything even this decade. The "movement" is at best glacial, and more likely window dressing."

So when you don't like certain facts, you just play them down and ridicule them do you? Excellent work.

Trash,

The smelters are being sold because of rising power costs. All but the one are in countries with a price on carbon.

That the largest chunk is in Australia, and announced just after the carbon tax passes is more than co incidence.

Steel will not be far behind.