We are a group of final-year USQ students conducting research into theft crime reduction strategies appropriate to businesses in the Brisbane Bayside region.

We’re interested to hear the opinions of community members – how can the rates of theft crimes against businesses in the Bayside region be effectively reduced?

shut the pubs at 6 pm
keep the cop shop open till midnight

make kids go home at 6pm
give them more homework

stop asking kids indoctrinated with govt spin
for solutions

keep them busy with research stradjedies
that will get ignored

there i done your homework for you
now cut and paste it
print it out

and get the c minus
this advice deserves

think why ask you to do this research
next they will say..99%.of kids agree..with blank blank blank

we could stop bad tv..and bad vidio games
that shows kids how to be criminals

we could explain to kids the good cop bad cop
that sees 20 out of 21 kids plead guilty to a civil contract violation

we could teach kids that unilateral contracts are uninforcable
that there is only two form of law...[criminal and civil;contract law]

that no victim
no contract
no law is broken

but heck
as if you got any clue what im trying to say

my big risk is that im corrupting a minor
or hundreds of other statuted violatioons
just by talking to a kid..online

Harsher consequences for ANY criminal offence.

agree fully with StG plus make the thieving mongrels work to pay back their victims. Put Magistrates with integrity rather than law educated bureaucrats into our courts.

We are a forum from all over Australia, and at times the world.
You will see rather fixed views but it is unlikely many can directly contribute.
I live in NSW and want to rebut the view every one of them is a mongrel.
Well past my teens I still understand the older sometimes unaware, think like that.
Youth need more education before leaving school about living and life.
Many young criminals only ever do just one thing wrong, them learn what they should have known.
In my lifetime being too easy has proved to make criminals out of those who could be saved.
StG at least spoke for most, a third or fourth offense before punishment is no help.
Give them a place to go, keep control get drugs away educate, its in your hands you are the future we, including the grumble bums,the past.

What are the defining characteristics of the Bayside, that make it different to other business regions? What perspective are you interested in - public policy or individual business tactics? What sort of businesses are you looking at? Retail shops have a much different problem to other types of business. In my small manufacturing business I've never been robbed, probably because I don't have the sort of things that crooks want to pinch, or can carry away easily. Offices suffer a fair amount of pilferage, but it usually isn't large scale.

My suggestion is to look at the stats for the types of thefts occurring and target your approach to the most common or most expensive areas. Your question as it stands is way too vague.

I guess I should elaborate on the word 'consequences'. Why should someone who CRIMINALLY is a predator against the people of their own community be allowed the same rights as those they are preying on? Why should someone who preys on people be allowed to benefit from say ... Medicare, and the dole. No WAY should they be allowed disability pensions.

AND increase these ridiculous sentences and put in magistrates who are in touch with reality.

Of course you can be found guilty of a criminal offence without actually being a habitual criminal. I'm talking about predators, of all types. People habitually prey on others. Serial rapists, burglars, violent offenders, junkies - grey area, for sure -, con artists, etc etc.

I've got ZERO sympathy for people who make a life out of creating victims.

Over the years I had in the vicinity of $85,000 worth of commodities & equipment stolen. To-date, I received not a single cent in compensation. No-one better ask me to be more understanding or tolerant with these mongrels.
They are mongrels & most likely will remain mongrels because we have insipid mongrels who defend them. The poor bastard who lost his job & has to knock off a loaf of bread gets hammered like nothing on earth yet the drug addicts & other low life get millions spent on them although a fair whack of that goes to do-gooder social workers/lawyers. Wake up people !

Come to think of it, is there a program that helps people who lost either goods or job ? Like are there as many millions spent on victims of bureaucratic bungle & thieving as there spend on rehabilitation centres ? Would be interesting to see some figures.

Do this , do that, more police, more security.

Real youth un employment is 40%, solve that, give them a future better than "will you have fries with that" and the crime rate falls.

youth un employment is 40%, solve that
sonofgloin,
Solution Start National Service= continued solution more employable sensible people, less discontent, less crime, better society. Even an idiot can see that, can't vouch for the academic do-gooders though.

Constant insulting terms such as idiot and dogooder, shouted in an endless stream are not changing any views.
I have been subjected to such, from that poster today.
Very harsh words.
But what offends me about them is not the insults.
It is the unthinking rage behind them.
A closed mind is best served by a closed mouth.

Belly,
for crying out loud give it a break will you ? You're the one with the endless stream of insult & foolish accusation. I'm merely trying to make you think, obviously I'm wasting good time & OLO space with you here. End of game,

I said good by to you about ten times.
For the sake of fair go mate, swallowed my pride and made another effort.
Each time, either by knowingly, or inability to know, you heave insults around like a drunken brick layer.
It is your style.
Challenge me, just read your last 12 posts, from your post history.
count the insults, then the people you took aim at.
Then, from your last 100 posts, count the constructive comments.
I do not feel I wrong OLO intaking you on.
Your insults are far worse.
bloke I cool headed and honest think your description best suits you not me.
I will not again converse or refer to you, are you man enough to do the same? please for me?

...In a personal physical confrontation recently, and surrounded by a dozen brainless youths, many with weapons, including one with a brush hook;(I was alone in an isolated area),here is what the de-brief concluded of the facts.

...Firstly and most prominently was the control mechanism of the gang which was an elder youth in his early twenties standing slightly aside to the main core of the gang, issuing directions but not participating.The armed participants were fifteen or so and under that age (and the majority).

...At one point an adult appeared in a vehicle to converse with the gang organizer and left the scene, This event added another tier to the hierarchy of control.

...The aim of the confrontation was to forceable remove me from an area under their control where I had stumbled on a stash of stolen goods secreted in an isolated bush area, (not drugs). Following the confrontation I managed to escape with minor injuries after being physically attacked on three occasions each time after the gang regrouped, for a kilometer or so. Interestingly, during this sortie (and strangely)I learned from the mouths of the "babes" their aspirations were built on following the paths set by the reputations of their alcohol soaked and jail hardened relatives to whom the aspirants lived in awe.

...Put simply; (they were anxious to attend jail asap to reinforce their developing reputations and were unfazed by any future miss deed the illogical objective may require)!

...Since this event six months ago, a relentless series of break and enters have occurred in my area, all with violent entry and a heavy toll of unnecessary damage, including fires where one house was destroyed. Businesses have closed doors for good and moved away and the local newspaper office is intimidated by vandalism and threats when reporting negative comment on the issue, pin pointing the culprits who are well known in the local area.

...Short of a bullet behind selected ears, I suggest there is no legal answer to this rampage.

no legal answer to this.
diver dan,
As saddening as this is is I'm glad there are people out there who can see what is happening. You've hit the nail on the head. Only last night my neighbour had his front door smashed in by a youth who just three weeks ago was released from a supposedly corrective institution.
The Police Officer wasn't interested in what happened as much as he was interested in my neighbour having actually seen the 15 year old mongrel smashing the screen. My neighbour told the officer that the youth threatened to smash the screen if he did not hand over $50. My neighbour refused & told the youth to leave. A moment later the screen was smashed & I actually saw the youth dashing away from the verandah. The officer repeated "yeah,, but did you actually see him pick up the rock & throw it ?'
This really highlights that the Law is failing us badly if youths can get so much benefit of the doubt. No wonder they get more brazen by the day. A citizen must be able to disable a delinquent on the spot instead of having to consider every senseless legal aspect before taking action.

Individual:

...To say Australians are at war with the Talaban is a "furphy". This country is at war with its own youth. Law and order is the urgent issue but more institutionalization is not the answer. To be locked up is a badge of honor.

...Consequence to anti social behavior is not on their radar! Since moving to this town recently, prior to the above described event, I have been threatened on the street with a knife on two separate occasions; both occasions following defensive actions to brake and enters of my own property.

...The demography of this town exhibits a yawning gap between the haves and have nots; this town has a predominance of the "well-heeled".

...Installing barbed wire entanglements to tops of fences made the headlines recently. Local council issued stern warning to residents to remove all barbed wire; but I notice some months later, the instruction is universally ignored. Mainly I suggest, because of the success to reducing break and enters.

diver dan,
It may be of interest to know how the councils which ban barbed wire fences are combatting break & enter crime. Will they compensate a victim because the crims got into the premises due to council not permitting safeguards ? Will the do-gooders pay compensation ? Will the Magistrates & lawyers pay compensation ?
I am smack-bang in the middle of dealing with a major theft & guess what ?, I haven't seen anyone from Council to tell me they're going to help me by imposing curfews for these young crap-brained mongrels & make them return the goods or make their idiot parents pay. I can safely say idiot parents because I know them & it is no surprise their little crapheads turned out that way. A large %age of blame also can be attributed to the juvenile defence do-gooder brigade who insist on no punishment. I was told if I went to their house asking for my gear I will be arrested. Thank you loony left for the crap you helped develop over the years. Don't let anyone slap kid eh ?

...(IMO): Is it time to consider closing down the humanities disciplines in our universities to all but the study of misanthropy.

...Only when one is attacked from without, such as the events (it seems) only you and I hold a strong view towards, does our tenuous hold on peace and security in our home environment become clear towards its reality that such security can only be described as vaporous at best.

...Lets dissect the events of our described experiences (Which are not untypical of the mass) to weed out the culprits ensuring powerlessness of the victim (honest folk; us)!

Policing:

Firstly, fellow citizens are deluded to believe the Police force exists in our community to protect the innocent; that is the first and most primary fallacy!
Police are now a product of University humanities training and exhibit the symptom of a modern day malady described as "PC" in their dealings with criminals rights as a priority in Policing duties.
Once was a time in the dim past when the local sergeant was given the official "Nod" to issue stern (physical) warnings to louts and thugs!
Gone now, at an exponential rate applicable to the increase of lawlessness and anti-social behavior: The result is loss of control (safety) of the streets and public areas in our communities.

Lawyers:

An narcissistic and unconscionable group among us incapable of considering any issue of law outside the area of "theater". A useless (and dangerous) product from the Humanities! (Floating atop the cauldron of society as "scum", Julia Gillard, John Howard et al).

Multiculturalism:

Last on this subject of social decline but definitely not the least is this nonsense. The money poured into the black hole of "blacks" rights and the endless bleeding over the subject of missed opportunities is this one. With 2% of the Aboriginal population employed and the remainder given free reign to plunder society at will, little wonder the likes of Diver Dans and Individuals remain bewildered and totally unprotected in a society we built and now maintain, with hard work!

DD:”Put simply; (they were anxious to attend jail asap to reinforce their developing reputations and were unfazed by any future miss deed the illogical objective may require)!”

Doesn’t this suggest that society stood aside and left children to be raised with this attitude? Or do you mean communities today encourage and support families with these attitudes? Is it govt or is the problem govt contracts out to various non govt providers who make a lot of money claiming to be successful supporting families identified at risk? Families first, Brighter futures, Youth off the streets, Stronger Families – don’t quote those as I suspect the names of these services change regularly like bankrupt businesses do.

DD:”With 2% of the Aboriginal population employed and the remainder given free rein to plunder society at will,...”

You lost me there, I don’t know very much about the aboriginal population but it’s nice to see the finger pointing in any non Muslim direction.

None of this seems new, reminds me of Oliver Twist.

I remember watching a thing on American gangs and how members would join the army to gain knowledge of weapon use. Weird that even the army training they went through didn’t teach them that they were making crappy choices. Course I don’t know much about USA military training either.

So achievement in some human groups when looking like the positive (or normal) is unlikely will strive for a negative achievement like a prison sentence, being known as the toughest most violent dude, best thief around etc. I know how to fix this in toddlers, dunno about a man sized 15 - 17 year olds. They need separating from their pack and the Hollywood dog eat dog mentality first? Not that our youth here are ready to star in something like “Louis Theroux - Law and Order in Johannesburg”.

Mostly I like everything OUG said.