lol, I find it really funny when religionists talk about lack of belief as if it was a religion :)

They use all the wording and all the problems atheists have with religion, and claim atheism, a lack of belief, is the same.

ie: they recognise the problem with religion atheists are talking about :) They see it as so effective a position, they try and use it in reverse :) lol

seriously entertaining to watch, the flapping of arms etc :) hehehe

Ammonite,
my innitial post on this thread was directed wholly at the initial post by Paul1405. I hadn't and still haven't read anything you had to say prior to your scorn aimed at me.
And I'm not making excuses, I'm earning my living and really don't have the time at present. Not that I intend to respond to your rude demands later either--pearls before swine and all that..
So vent you beligerence on someone else.
I've made my contribution here and it predictably failed to achieve any traction--which I find just as gratifying as when people do get it.
ta ta.

mr woot toot/toot woot...made the bold claim
of something..from nothing..put up a link..then ran away

itsc typical of the type of SPIN..
these athiests run up the flagpole..that proves nothing

do i go the long way arround..using quotes
or the short way..by saying..two plates ARNT nothing

that these two plates have the basic attractive force
but by virtue of being held so close together
find their attractive forces
RESISTING the fixings holding these NUTHINS..*nearly together
[less than a human hair appart]

SO dear woot toot..its not something from nothing
[to wit two plates..with a mass...plus attractive force
plus resistance due to being restrained]

then this is said to be a quantum level observation
and we all know at quantum/level..two particles
can...*appear to be..in different places

but mate we KNOW its only one particle being observed
so your again SELLING DELUSIONAL ..*theory

plus neatly avoided putting up ANY cat giving birth to a dog
to wit the actual topic under discussion!

this is so typical of the scientific illiterate
you say something from nothing

then reveal two plates..[something..!]
thus exposing your destraction..to be nuthin

to wit half wit
something from something

its about the level..of gullibility
i have grown to expect from you science illiterate athiest's

lol

bah on the lot of ya spin
only gullible ignorants could be taken in

lol OUG, all the casimir effect does is prove that there are virtual particles that flit in and out of existence. It does not require two plates be held together, that's just a real life experiment that shows they exist. This stuff has been shown via experiment for years, seems like you are living in the bronze age with your beliefs ... hang on ... wait ... lol :) you are! :)

Yet you have nothing for your claims except hot air and gusto, no evidence whatsoever, so you flap your arms all over the place, sweaty palms as you thump the keys trying to divert attention from your absent magical man.

You call for evidence yet offer absolutely none. Empty hypocritical talk, it's all you have isn't it?

pot, meet kettle, mote, meet beam :)

Squeers

OK, you don't want to elaborate. Could you at least tell a "belligerent, rude swine" like me the name of the poem to which you refer. Then this "belligerent, rude swine" can figure out your cryptic comments herself.

"Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics.

You are all stardust.

You couldn't be here if stars hadn't exploded. Because the elements, the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution weren't created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars. And the only way they could get into your body is if the stars were kind enough to explode.

So forget Jesus. The stars died so you could be here today."

Can't wait to see Lawrence Krauss at the 2012 Global Atheist Convention :)