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Muslims and Christians both feel god will break drought

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Do these religions accept that their God created the drought in the first place? Surely if such an invisible and almighty deity can stop the drought they must have started it.

Why do these various Gods create miseries? Why is Indonesia subject to so much of the deity's wrath? Must have something to do with.... Weather. Gods? What rubbish. Made up friends for supposed adults.
Posted by Betty, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 1:33:18 PM
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But when it does rain both will claim credit that it was because of prayer.
Will the inevitable floods that surely follow be blamed on to much prayer or on praying to hard?

Around this neck of the woods the grass is green, the town's water supply is just about full. Truly then we may say that we are holier than...
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 5:48:38 PM
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Last I heard Socialism was a form of state structure and did not deny religion intrinsically at all – in fact in France there is a Christian Socialist Party.

While I appreciate the argument about god raining on people’s parades or not, my concern was really about how the Muslim and the Christians were differently treated by the media over what boiled down to the same belief, ie that ‘praying to a god’ makes a difference to the weather.

The comment about god being given credit when and if the drought breaks struck home. It shows that the traditional image of god is like the archetypal bad boss, ie she takes credit for everything that goes right and blames you for everything that goes wrong – hey, that describes my ex-wife perfectly – maybe she was god after all – she certainly expected me to behave as if she was. All I can say is thank god for superstition – otherwise we wouldn’t have anything to believe in at all.

I have to go away for a week so please excuse any delayed responses and enjoy.
Posted by Rob513264, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 8:24:02 PM
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Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 11:54:01 PM
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Philo, even though we haven't agreed on many issues in other posts, I think some thoughts you are expressing here are worthy of repetition:

"It is a pity people did not read the Biblical text. Jesus said rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, it has very little connection to ones belief in or prayers to God."

and
"Prayer or lack of it has no direct connection to the weather..."

I'm not sure which religion/denomination you follow but you are sounding less deluded than those religions which are organising drought prayers.
The idea that hordes of people actually believe that praying can actually change the weather is just absurd.

and:
"...how we react because of the adverse environment does affect our actions and attitudes."
Very well said.

I wonder what is in the Bible that convinces other religions/denominations that prayer has an effect on the weather?
Posted by Celivia, Thursday, 15 March 2007 7:31:19 AM
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I think Rob513264 Holds the key to this one.
Indeed why dont they all pray together and why should one be treated as sain and the other a moran
Good Question Rob513264.
Maybe its because the so called sain ones share the views of the fellowing media R. I am not saying hes right OR wrong as we certainly seems to have problems with mixing as one sain country.
I guess you cant have two leaders challanging one another all the time.
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Fred Nile has called for a temporary ban on Muslim immigration. (File photo) (Reuters)

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Islamic groups have described a call by the Christian Democrats to suspend Muslim immigration to Australia as divisive and inflammatory.

The Christian Democrats leader, Fred Nile, says Australia should implement a 10-year halt on Muslim arrivals.

Reverend Nile says suspending Muslim immigration is the only way to test the impact it is had on Australian society.

That has angered Nada Roude from the New South Wales Islamic Council, who says it reinforces a misunderstanding in the community.

"There is an assumption that immigration policy is designed just to support Muslim immigration," she said.

Ms Roude says she is not surprised the comments came from Reverend Nile and she hopes the wider community will ignore them.

"There are bigger issues that I think communities are worried about and certainly it's not as though we have a huge level of Muslim migration," she said.

The president of the Anti-Discrimination Board, Stepan Kerkyasharian, says the idea flies in the face of Australia's democratic values.

"It is a very dangerous path to take," he said.

He says a policy that discriminates against a particular faith would be appalling.

"Absolutely unacceptable in a just and democratic society," he said.

Mr Kerkyasharian says Muslim integration into mainstream society is a challenge for Australia, but says that is because Muslims have only been arriving in high numbers since the end of the white Australia policy in 1966.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:02:47 AM
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