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The Greens...are they trying to acheive to much?
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Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 24 March 2007 7:53:33 AM
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I’m impressed Is Mise.
So do you only shoot ferals? Don’t worry, I’m not going to condemn you if you shoot the occasional wallaby or whatever for food. I agree with what you said on 12 March – “I don't think that The Greens thought this one through” Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 24 March 2007 7:49:56 PM
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Re Is Mise:
I have rural & bush property in Northern NSW. It has been my experience that shooters don’t just shoot ferals but anything within range. They come onto your property uninvited. They massacre wild ducks (& Ibis & swan apparently just for the thrill of it) Often driving around bush roads you’ll find dead kangaroo, goanna, possum -shot & left to rot. Irresponsibility & guns make a destructive mix & in my area at least, current provisions appear to be largely ineffective! How would you remedy this -or doesn't it need remedying? Posted by Horus, Sunday, 25 March 2007 8:20:47 AM
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I actually have no problem with people humanely killing feral animals, or hunting unendangered species for food.
What I don't understand is how they actually enjoy killing things. Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 25 March 2007 9:06:02 AM
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Ludwig,
Thanks for the kind remarks, In the broader sense I only shoot ferals. With the newer hunting regimes a lot of what were considered feral are now game species, and require the appropriate Game Council licences. Horus, I'm a bit puzzled, is your bush property rural or in a town? That aside there are a number of solutions to your problems: 1. Inform the police, making sure that you have collected all the relevant information, this not only helps them but lets them know that you are not just some nutter. 2. Inform your local Hunting or Target or Pistol club. They will spread the word and will be as anxious as you to stop irresponsible shooting. 3, Inform the nearest branch of the Sporting Shooters' Assoc, for the same reasons. 4. Arm yourself with a good digital camera with a really efficient telephoto lens and then photograph some of these people during their illegal activites, especially if they are on your property, then 1 above. Just roughly where are you in Nth. NSW? CJ. How do you know that some shooters take a personal pleasure in killing? Do you mean a personal, satisfying fulfillment in the ending of a life, a simple gratification of an urge to kill? Have shooters told you of this? I must admit to getting real pleasure from whistling a fox up to within sure range of my gun and of killing it cleanly, that is instantaneously. The most pleasure comes however from knowing that I am doing something positive in the field of conservation. I really love marsupial mice, beautiful lttle creatures that quickly lose all fear and will sit on one's hand before being released. I use humane 'catch 'em alive' traps for house mice and occassionally a 'bush' mouse will be caught, that's when I sometimes have a chance to get close to a marsupial. When I shoot a fox I often get pleasure, afterwards, thinking about the marsupial mice and other creatures that it wont have a chance to kill. Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 25 March 2007 1:39:23 PM
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Another debate on the Greens going on at Debate and Relate. A bit more heated than this one:
http://www.debaterelate.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=919&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Posted by Whitlam, Monday, 26 March 2007 1:39:05 PM
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The biggest litter that I ever found was 7. I killed them all.
If half of the foxes that I've killed were vixens then we could say that had they all averaged 5 kits per litter and half of them were females then it follows that...Heck, it's beyond my limited maths
but I'm sure you get the picture. Exponentiality it's called.
Just how many more of our fauna have been saved, just by modest lil ole me alone.?
That's enough for now, I'm sure you'll agree, Dickie, except that I ought to point out that many of those who took up the gun to give you the security and freedom which you enjoy (I hope) learned their craft as civilian shooters, particularly as hunters.
That great 'fun gun' the 12 gauge double shotgun was used to train Air Gunners in WW II by having them shoot at clay pigeons.
Welcome aboard CJ.
Getting one's jollies out of shooting defenceless feral animals is called conservation, 'con-ser-vat-ion' in case you are not familiar with the word or the concept.
I put fox skins to good use and have some very practical and warm bed coverings made from them.
Unfortunately foxes are not edible. I do hunt deer though and have venison in the freezer at the moment allong with a dozen or so rabbits. No pig meat though as I don't like the taste. But killing them is good conservation as well.
I prefer to hunt my own food rather than buy my meat from a supermarket.
It's an old tradition with we hunter gatherers, in fact one of the oldest traditions of the human race