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Dr Evan's is no climatologist
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Posted by RawMustard, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 9:28:18 PM
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The Urban Heat Island Effect has not distorted climate science simply because the climatologists KNOW about it, and know how to correct for it in their measurements.
Rather than reading all of the following links just watch this 10 minute youtube. It's quality stuff — truly awesome, and quotes a great NASA temperature graph. It's by a graphic designer so is usually well produced. He hangs out with climatologists and is aware of the latest papers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7OdCOsMgCw&feature=view_all&list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&index=54 <<Independent studies using different software, different methods, and different data sets yield very similar results. The increase in temperatures since 1975 is a consistent feature of all reconstructions. This increase cannot be explained as an artifact of the adjustment process, the decrease in station numbers, or other non-climatological factors. >> http://www.skepticalscience.com/surface-temperature-measurements-advanced.htm But this next link is really interesting. Peer-reviewed papers reveal that rather than increasing temperatures, some UHI effects have had a COOLING bias on the instruments. That means the warming could be worse than recorded! http://www.desmogblog.com/urban-heat-island-myth-dead Your argument relies on: << Mistaken Assumption No. 1: Mainstream science doesn’t believe there are urban heat islands…. Mistaken Assumption No. 2: … and thinks that all station data are perfect.... Mistaken Assumption No. 3: CRU and GISS have something to do with the collection of data by the National Weather Services (NWSs) Mistaken Assumption No. 4: Global mean trends are simple averages of all weather stations Mistaken Assumption No. 5: Finding problems with individual station data somehow affects climate model projections. Mistaken Assumption No. 6: If only enough problems can be found, global warming will go away >> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/07/no-man-is-an-urban-heat-island/ Also, they KNOW about the UHI. <<More importantly, station logs allow sites in question to be filtered easily from data sets. Doing so, the presence of heat islands is visible, but overall trends change in magnitude, not direction. The effects of the urban heat island may be overstated. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Heat_Island_Effect#Global_warming Posted by Eclipse Now, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 9:28:26 PM
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Politicians like Gillard lie to us constantly for money and power.Why would not a few so called scientists do likewise when they have a honey pot that never existed before? After all it is a noble cause to save the planet,even if they are wrong,it is better to err on the side of caution.This is the logic which has brought us to the lies and deception.
It is never a noble cause to lie to the people and try to use environmentalism to subjugate the population. Dr Evans was selected by the Govt to do climate modelling.He was a believer until the evidence no longer supported the theory.Many more will jump ship as they realise we are wising up. Why does Wall St and our own CEO of the NAB want the CO2 tax and the ETS? It is about making money from another derivative scam.This ETS will make it far easier to rort than the Sub prime mortagage scam.Only those who can afford to but carbon credits will be allowed to produce.It will mean more power will be in the hands of the few.More industry will move off shore.Emitions Trading Scam is exactly what it is. Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 11:37:24 PM
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/turnbull-decries-war-on-climate-science/2823216
While Turnbull reminds us Liberals still live within the Liberal party. That for some truth matters. In the very same paper Hockey threatens to close the climate change department,for? He says telling lies. In this debate, if ever we get to know who is behind the campaign to hide the truth arjay will at last have a conspiracy theory others can share. Currently, in my view he assists the plotters not truth. Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 August 2011 5:26:46 AM
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Belly;Be rest assured,we are going to vote your precious Labor party back to the stone age.The only seat they will have ,will be found in the dunny.Their epitaph will be found in the bowl.Damn lies and traitors to their own people.
As for the 911 conspiracy,you are incapable of debating the scientific facts and far less able to debate climate science.Talk to Kevin Bracken,he is one of the few Unionists who has the courage and integrity to hold his position in the Union movement. Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 4 August 2011 6:39:08 AM
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Everyone else please note that when Arjay is presented with links that reveal dozens of peer-reviewed scientific articles, this is his response.
"Why would not a few so called scientists do likewise when they have a honey pot that never existed before? After all it is a noble cause to save the planet,even if they are wrong,it is better to err on the side of caution.This is the logic which has brought us to the lies and deception." Doesn't he just love the scientific method, empirical evidence, and all that jazz? Did he even read the links? No. Speaking of evidence, do you have any evidence of climatologists lying? Because I thought I just provided HEAPS of evidence that the Denialist's are the foaming at the mouth Cherry-Picking Strawman idiots that stand up in public and tell bald faced lies about the UHI, about the 'lack' of a Tropospheric Hot Spot, about 1998, about the temperature over the last 10 years, do I need to go on? "Dr Evans was selected by the Govt to do climate modelling.He was a believer until the evidence no longer supported the theory.Many more will jump ship as they realise we are wising up." No, he was selected by the Government to ASSIST with the technology that the climate modellers needed. Think of him as a maths and IT geek, NOT a climatologist. Because he isn't. "Why does Wall St and our own CEO of the NAB want the CO2 tax and the ETS? It is about making money from another derivative scam.This ETS will make it far easier to rort than the Sub prime mortagage scam.Only those who can afford to but carbon credits will be allowed to produce.It will mean more power will be in the hands of the few.More industry will move off shore.Emitions Trading Scam is exactly what it is." Maybe. But DO try to separate out policy from science? Just because you might not like what people and governments DO about global warming doesn't mean you have any evidence that the science itself is false. Posted by Eclipse Now, Thursday, 4 August 2011 8:44:43 AM
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The link you've given us is from the Sydney Institute,
a privately funded - conservative think tank.
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I don't care who "they" are, I'm only interested in what the scientist they had talking had to say and whether he's legit; which he does indeed seem to be. More so than the current crop of snake oil peddlers, Flannery, Garnaut, Plibersek or Gillard and her best mate Blair are!
You can either listen to Professor Murry Salby's talk and learn something or live in denial over the fact that the science is NOT settled!