Dear Pelly,

Well said.
And I'm sure that the spin does have an effect -and not the one
that SM intends. As for ammunition? No one likes to take
advantage of unarmed people.

Pelican, Lexi, and Belly,

You all claim that I am biased. I am, I think the labor government is loathsome. However, I am trying to work out how you all think that this is a counter argument to the facts I present.

Here we have a blatant case of fraud by an MP and complete cover up by the union and his party. Instead of trying to argue the case, you all try and pretend it is happening to everyone, firstly without any examples, and secondly why on earth would it make any difference to this case.

Is it OK to commit fraud, and is it OK to take no action whatsoever?

An ad hominem response is an acknowledgement that I am spot on target.

Shadow Minister first look at my post this morning in the greens popular thread.
Then condemn me for partisan ship.
I could not ever,find such a post from you.
Two fine and much more in control than I some times am posters speak the truth about you today.
SM the senator is indeed yet to front the courts,she will fight hard, to prove she is not guilty.
CLOSE Friends are saying *she has been under great stress* pointing to some doubt the deed did not take place.
Your constant and repeated inference Labor has more such people than your side opens this to me.
I think history has shown me conservatives in court more often than not are cleared of charges seemingly proven in evidence put to the court.
If I wished another link could have been put here this morning.
A Liberal female politician has gone on stress leave, afraid to go home after drug dealers fired gunshots at her home.
In your post style I could have made much of it.
Yet it was not her but her son being targeted, she if ALP would be less kindly treated by you.

SM perhaps you can recall the failure of Peter Reith to resign over the misuse of a government issued mobile phone. From memory a he ended up paying back the money but was neither sacked or resigned.

On the other hand from memory there were loud calls from Labor for him to resign.

Neither side does real well when the shoe is on the other foot.

R0bert

SM,

RObert and Pelly and myself are trying to make this
precise point. The fact remains - when you keep
continually starting threads on the bad things that
Labor does (and only Labor) and then complain about
it when pulled up on it - it becomes ludicrous, when
the Libs are just as guilty of doing bad things.
You can't blame people for making the assumption that
you're the "Minister of Propaganda," for the Libs.
You stick to the same message, you keep is short,
and you keep repeating it over and over again. That's
what propaganda is. We know you're a Liberal supporter -
but so what. If you're going to continue to point out
only the bad things that the "other side" does - be
prepared that you get reminded of what "your side" does.
And heaven knows they've done quite a lot - both today
and in the past.

I remain amazed that Shadow Minister can tell one party from the other. You have to give him credit for that.

;)