http://www.smh.com.au/national/thomson-agrees-he-approved-escort-bill-20110801-1i869.html

As a Federal Labor MP in a hung parliament and in a marginal seat, Craig Thomson is such a treasured asset that neither the Health services Union, nor the federal party have any desire to seriously investigate, as the consequences of him resigning would be the collapse of the government.

The implications go far beyond moral deficiencies into theft and corruption, and while the MP claims to be innocent, his defamation case against the newspaper that published the details has collapsed.

For a party that supposedly stands for family values, this lack of action is another example of breathtaking hypocrisy.

SM each and every week there is an issue of integrity both personal and political arising from the Labor party. Let’s understand the mentality of the modern Labor politicians by their deeds.

Convictions on serving Labor politicians over the past ten years, which encompasses the maturing of the “university bred “ Labor generation, Fabians in other words.

Accepting bribes,
Child sex offences,
Child drug offenses,
Making a false statement to the ICAC,
Blackmail,
Corruption, receiving secret commissions,
Driving whilst disqualified,
Misappropriating public funds
Perjury,
Lying to the Corruption and Crime Commission,

When you compare the convictions of the Coalition politicians over the same period the theme is greed, they are thieves.

Misappropriating public funds.
Stealing a cheque from Bond Corp.
Perjury.
Unlawful use of listening devices.

I did not list drink driving as I do not believe it a moral issue in regard to integrity in government, but Labor lead the Coalition three to one there as well. One caveat regarding the Coalition record, a load of it is from the QLD Nats which is a mentionable point when applying the number and type of convictions to either party.

TBC

This generation of Labor politicians is steeped in immaturity and the self service aspect immaturity brings to a character, and even though the local member works his clacka off for his constituents at a local level his/her views are not sought in the cabinet, as the cabinet work to an agenda set by others. There is no grass roots representation in the Cabinet room, and a pseudo gang of four still run it.

It’s like fiction, each week a new disaster. My loathing of individuals such as these and their acolytes primarily comes from the understanding that they understand that the overwhelming majority of Australians do not want a carbon tax, but they are saying F@@# you it’s happening, and that is EXACTLY what they are saying to us. The Labor party did not disappoint me as I went to uni with them, sat in on the Fabian meets so to speak. I identified them then as acolytes to a global movement to which they would have no access to policy making at an executive level, forever acolytes even if one or two of them become PM’s. The morally corrupt Labor party went from protector to prime predator in a generation.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/doubts-over-lib-chiefs-shares-20110801-1i8bd.html
The case Shadow Minister, gee it was it his post?, look soon, puts before us is indefensible.
I Want to note it was his former employers the union that uncovered him.
I suspect he can not convince any one he did not commit a grubby crime against his members and Union.
A by election? not unless we must, I truly see no Halos on Abbott's team.
OH he is a grub this bloke,we may face the electorate, but look to at my interesting link.
No proof, just suspicion, well and truly enought to launch a thousand
demands to resign if it was a Labor politician.
Bottom line? yes no one on any side should not be thrown out of the House if guilty.
But if it was the senate and a death, party and its voters would not be punished why should they?

Belly,

It is a little rich trying to play the "innocent until proven guilty" card here.

The way corporate expense cards work is that at the end of each month the detailed bill comes in, and the items are allocated to accommodation, entertainment, personal expenses (to be paid back) etc.

According to the article, Craig Thomson got the account for HIS card and did not query the brothel item, and happily allocated it as a company expense, and signed it off. He at no point did not query the expense or challenge the card company.

If I did that on my corporate card, I would at least be summarily dismissed and would have to pay the amount back, with the very real chance of having changes laid for fraud.

However,

There is more than smoke to this fire, but the very worst part is the lack of investigation and implied cover up on the part of the labor party and the HSU, who are effectively condoning fraud and corruption as acceptable behaviour for federal Labor MPs.

Shadow Minister come on!
You do tend to let truth lay in the dust in your efforts to harm the government.
Here, stand back, it can be dangerous, are the FACTS!
I never said anything in defense of this grub!
I have no doubt of his guilt, am aware his union, even before he won his seat, have been pursuing him.
I even fear he may not be the only unionist who has stolen from his reason to exist,members.
I however, tell me if positions were reversed, think the government did not commit his sin.
If it was your party your hung Parliament and your sinner, you have had many, what would you say?
Now I know it hurts, but try, be honest, he is a grub, one step up from a maggot, but be honest.
Are your views likely to be the same if it is your side of the fence.
I note you have nothing to say about my link, bet you would if it was AN ALP member.
The senator facing charges/allegations of shop lifting,is she not guilty till found so?
In fact she is!
Last some, far too many ex union grubs infest the ALP good ones too but this grub is not good enough to clean the floor of a union or Parliament.
Only the best should serve.

Belly,

For starters, the number of Liberals caught out is fraction of that of labor, and then when they are, they are stood down.

The senator in question has just been charged, and standing her down would be dependant on establishing the facts. The facts about Thomson have been common knowledge for many months.

Sorry Shadow Minister, I am aware we are often charged with rudeness in this part of the forum.
But truthfully you make it hard not to insult.
Did you see I agreed with your thoughts about this grub?
That he is guilty,and EVERYTHING I have stood against all my life?
I left my job, the one I was born for, union official.
Because I was under insulting BULLYING at the hands of a branch secretary,
My popularity with membership still is strong.
BECAUSE I told them every visit, the union is more important than any individual.
Now I am aware under the law your senator is not yet guilty.
I believe , my view, her story of mental pressure/breakdown on her part I am not calling for her to step down.
She may be found not guilty, may escape justice because of who she is.
But here is the problem.
Without doubt.
YOU WOULD
IF SHE WAS LABOR
CONVICT AND SENTENCE HER, BLAST MY PARTY, AND BE INFLAMMATORY.
Tell me SM it is not true!

Dear Belly,

No politician is perfect - surely we all know that.
And quite a few in both parties have had their noses
in the "trough" so to speak - and done things that
they shouldn't have. If we started to finger-point
and list names - we'd never be able to stop - so many pollies,
so many accusations. However, having said that -
How many Labor ex-Prime Ministers have actually resigned from
the Labor Party - like former Prime Minister - Malcolm
Fraser has done? None that I can think of. And I wonder why he did? That says a great deal about the Liberal Party - and it's not very flattering is it? So if I was Shadow Minister - I wouldn't be
feeling too smug with myself just yet. What the little guys do
is not as significant - as what the big cats do - like Malcolm
Fraser, John Hewson...

Will SM ever post a thread criticising corruption or shenanigans within the Liberal/National Party.

Nup...not a bipartisan bone to be seen.

Belly,

As far as the liberal senator is concerned, if she has been shoplifting, she should be expelled from the party, and if convicted she should resign, and this will be rapidly resolved through the courts.

My comment was not just on the multitude of offences that Thomson seems to have be caught with, but the cover up that the labor and the union are conducting to keep him on the bench.

Pelican,

There are sufficient others partisan to the other side who attack the libs, however, lacking the same ammunition.

Yes but I am talking about your posts SM.

Yes we all hold biases and allegiances but I generally find more who are critical of the ALP even from within than any honest self-analysis from Coalition supporters even when they are in government.

Spin is what is wrong with our political environment at the moment. We need less of it not more, with rational debate not childlike point scoring and cherrpicking the bits that might make the other 'side' look bad while ignoring the bad bits on your own 'team'. This sort of politics is damaging to healthy democracy IMO.

Politicians of all stripes are voted by their electorate to represent the people not the other way around and as such their actions are subject to scrutiny but I reckon that applies to all politicians not just a select few.

I respect your rights of freedom of speech as you do mine, but I wonder if your proliferate and heavily biased posts have the opposite effect than you intend.

Dear Pelly,

Well said.
And I'm sure that the spin does have an effect -and not the one
that SM intends. As for ammunition? No one likes to take
advantage of unarmed people.

Pelican, Lexi, and Belly,

You all claim that I am biased. I am, I think the labor government is loathsome. However, I am trying to work out how you all think that this is a counter argument to the facts I present.

Here we have a blatant case of fraud by an MP and complete cover up by the union and his party. Instead of trying to argue the case, you all try and pretend it is happening to everyone, firstly without any examples, and secondly why on earth would it make any difference to this case.

Is it OK to commit fraud, and is it OK to take no action whatsoever?

An ad hominem response is an acknowledgement that I am spot on target.

Shadow Minister first look at my post this morning in the greens popular thread.
Then condemn me for partisan ship.
I could not ever,find such a post from you.
Two fine and much more in control than I some times am posters speak the truth about you today.
SM the senator is indeed yet to front the courts,she will fight hard, to prove she is not guilty.
CLOSE Friends are saying *she has been under great stress* pointing to some doubt the deed did not take place.
Your constant and repeated inference Labor has more such people than your side opens this to me.
I think history has shown me conservatives in court more often than not are cleared of charges seemingly proven in evidence put to the court.
If I wished another link could have been put here this morning.
A Liberal female politician has gone on stress leave, afraid to go home after drug dealers fired gunshots at her home.
In your post style I could have made much of it.
Yet it was not her but her son being targeted, she if ALP would be less kindly treated by you.

SM perhaps you can recall the failure of Peter Reith to resign over the misuse of a government issued mobile phone. From memory a he ended up paying back the money but was neither sacked or resigned.

On the other hand from memory there were loud calls from Labor for him to resign.

Neither side does real well when the shoe is on the other foot.

R0bert

SM,

RObert and Pelly and myself are trying to make this
precise point. The fact remains - when you keep
continually starting threads on the bad things that
Labor does (and only Labor) and then complain about
it when pulled up on it - it becomes ludicrous, when
the Libs are just as guilty of doing bad things.
You can't blame people for making the assumption that
you're the "Minister of Propaganda," for the Libs.
You stick to the same message, you keep is short,
and you keep repeating it over and over again. That's
what propaganda is. We know you're a Liberal supporter -
but so what. If you're going to continue to point out
only the bad things that the "other side" does - be
prepared that you get reminded of what "your side" does.
And heaven knows they've done quite a lot - both today
and in the past.

I remain amazed that Shadow Minister can tell one party from the other. You have to give him credit for that.

;)

Lexi,

Actually, your side keeps on saying that "be prepared that you get reminded of what "your side" does. And heaven knows they've done quite a lot". I challenge you to do so.

When the push comes to the shove, what you provide is either trifling, ancient, or both.

For example the issue with Peter Reith's card:
1 it was 11 years ago,
2 He gave his government calling card details to his son to contact him, who then abused it for about $950. The details were stolen and abused by an unknown 3rd party for a large amount. So the vast majority was the abuse by a 3rd party, and a small amount by his son.
3 He immediately reported it to the PM who referred it to the police.

Compare this to the Thomson case where it appears that the huge amount was spent by Thomson himself, who fraudulently declared them as legitimate business expenses. On discovery, what did the Union and the ALP do? Nothing.

If you do have anything, please put it forward. I have plenty of recent examples in the ALP of fraud, corruption, paedophilia, etc.

SM,

I'm not interested in making lists or digging up scandals
be they Tony Abbott'd blatant lies about the carbon tax,
the behind the scenes donations from big businesses,
or how many Liberal MP's are not only taking their salaries
from the government but are also maintaining their private
businesses on top of that, or the Lindsay pamphlet scandal,
the Utegate scandal, and many more - including state governments
like Kennett's that were notorious for their cronyism and
corruption. The point that was being made was about YOU - and
we'd like to see YOU present more than just the one-eyed
vision of one party being guilty of bad things while trying
to paint the picture that the other guys are smelling of
roses. The point is - GIVE IT A REST. Neither side of politics
has any right to feel smug - both should be equally accountable.
Try starting thread for a change - discussing real issues in
politics - not just blaming the blame game all the time on the
one side - over, and over again. It's getting bl**dy boring
old chap!

Lexi,

There you go again with the unsubstantiated accusations. You have yet to provide specifics. Even if there were transgressions on the liberal side, it is no excuse for the blatant fraud and corruption from the ALP.

I don't follow the scripted party line and support gay marriage etc.

However, I very seldom ever discuss the liberals, and never paint them as smelling like roses. What I do is criticise the policy and behaviour failures of the incumbents. Given their incompetence and propensity to be caught with their fingers in the till, I am given boundless material to work with.

On the other hand, I have yet to hear any praise of the liberals from any of you, or concession that any of their policies might work. Their track record from 96 to 2007 was far better than the miserable legacy that Juliar is leaving us.

I wlll continue to highlight that which the ALP would like swept under the carpet.

SM,

I explained to you that I don't have
the inclination to make lists. All
you have to do is your own research.
Simply Google the scandals of the Liberal
Party - there's plenty listed on the web.
I have mentioned several times the noble
traditions of the Liberal Party of the past.
Robert Menzies would not approve of the empty
rhetoric of the current mob - who as Malcolm
Fraser, John Hewson, and others have pointed
out - are not Liberals at all. As for your
stating that you shall keep on doing what
you've been doing - that's fair enough. But
then don't expect different results.
You'll keep on getting what you've gotten to
date. I'll leave you to it.

Pelican:>> Will SM ever post a thread criticising corruption or shenanigans within the Liberal/National Party. Nup...not a bipartisan bone to be seen.<<

Pelican just an observation, of what use is focusing in on the inadequacies and past track record of the powerless Libs? The current decision maker’s inadequacy is relevant right now. When the Coalition gets into power you will see a 180 degree spin in my vitriol if they are zeros like this Fabian lot.

I have been so myopic in my views since joining OLO that Belly thinks I am a goose stepper of the ultra right, simply because I take shots at the current governing party relentlessly, funny thing is if I had to define my politics without publishing a manifesto and in terms that one could relate to I would call myself a Trot realist rather than a Marxist, and a million miles from conservative right, but Julia’s Fabians and the Greens are viewed by me as just NAZI’s with green thumbs and no brains, even Hitler had the sense to listen to his Gauleiters.

Lexie my Baltic belle, my all time favorite from the Aussie Right was when the MEGA corrupt Bob Askin ordered the driver of the limo he and President Johnson were perched in to "RUN OVER THE BASTARDS" referring to Vietnam War protesters who were lying on the road. It gave a whole to meaning to Holts sycophantic "all the way with LBJ" written by the Campbell’s soup people.lol

Dear SOG,

I've still got two fabulous posters that I
collected in the US from a novelty shop.
One is of Richard Nixon - that says -
"Would you buy a Used Car From this man?"

And the second one is of a hugely pregnant
black woman smiling and wearing a badge
that says, "Nixon's The One!"

They're both hanging in my study at home -
and still bring a smile to my face.

Did you happen to watch the TV mini-series -
"The Kennedys," on the ABC?

They were something else - especially the old man!

Lexi,

Again, neither Belly, Lexi, or Pelican have even tried to comment on the body of the thread, i.e. the allegations that the Labor party is covering up fraud and theft by one of its federal members of parliament.

In fact you only attack me. I thus have to assume that you all take corrupt practices by the ALP for granted, and try to deflect this thread by changing the subject.

SM,

Won't work old chap.
This is about YOU -
and if you keep doing what you're
doing - you'll keep getting what you've got.
We won't blame your game - you're on your
own from now on - continue to peddle your own
rhetoric - over and over and over again!

Lexi, "Nixons the one" badge on the black pregnant chick made me lol, right in the middle of Black Power, bet that home girl never hung with the brothers. Re the Kennedys, I don't have much time for old Joe, but the brothers are fine, they are Catholics like my lot, no illuminati for them, they have the Vatican.

SM when I heard of this latest shonk I got a glimmer of hope that it may lead to a conviction and a by election, but dismissed it because of time frame, the attorney gen would take years to compile the case if it was a federal writ and the judiciary would make sure the calendar was full for a couple of years if it is a state writ, and we need a conviction tomorrow. So the value in the story is the obvious flippant approach Labor takes with public money, once again, but we know that.

http://www.debtclock.com.au/

Very true Lexi, and you prove our point with your last post Shadow Minister.
I have, in this your thread, convicted and even sentenced the grub, how do you respond to that?
The former holder of the seat Rob Oakshot now holds, Leader of the Nationals Deputy Prime minister left under a cloud.
It is my view he fled accountability for the AWB scandal.
4 other Liberals did too.
One mentioned in this thread left after lies he told to public and Parliament on the children over board issue.
Did you Shadow Minister express doubts when John Howard's brother was bailed out?
A Minister, seen to be the future of your party, left after it being shown he left shares of his parliamentary interests held report.
Dirt is every place, you farm it use it, but ignore it if its your side that is the view we are expressing here.

Lexi,

I'm obviously getting under your skin. You don't like the message, so it must be the messenger's fault. Sound familiar, sounds like Juliar and Conroy.

Your comments amuse me, and is as scary as a puffer fish.

You are just as biased as me, and cannot bring yourself to admit that labor is rotten to the core. Trying to pretend that the Libs are as bad is futile and completely lacking examples.

Belly,

Nice try with the inuendo, but there was nothing to stick to the libs w.r.t the AWB scandal.

Shadow Minister
I will respond to your opening.I would be 90% sure the guys innocent.
Dont know much about him- but I bet if I looked hes pretty popular.
Its the oldest trick in the book to discredit somebody tbo.
Is used regally on Whistle Lowers in particular coppers. Its done for many reasons- not only to discredit but to drag people down & the take their eye off the ball. At times the reason is simply they peeved somebody off. I Can help out re AWB SM but I will do so via responding to others.
I did think about what you said a few weeks ago SM & only today discussed a meeting with Mr Abbott with another Minister.Of course they want the info on the gov & atm thats not possible given the inquiry underway. Still I assume it would be ages before he would be available if"" he is at all. Time will see if he likes the policy figures X. So you cant say anymore i have neglected my duty to try.

As for AWB massive cover up yes. Howard said he didnt know why it was closed ring Peter- Peter said - no money:_

However Mr Rudd takes the prize for heading for the hills as shadow Minister when dumped in his lap. There was no way ALP wanted to take on AWB Landmark and they didnt - and they wont.
They just carry on sd the libs set in place.
I assure you the AWB was not all money from wheat- wish it was tbo.
Of course the hot potato it is- Wesfarmers sold to Australian Wheat Board in October 2003 trying to avoid the shame of the Cormo express scandal- AWB have since sold- the smell follows them however wherever it goes

SM,

My point was - no party is without flaws.
However, it's obviously difficult for you
to see the bigger picture with your one-eye.
Fair enough. As I stated earlier - carry on
as before. I'm simply looking forward to the
day when you'll be more even-handed is all.
Until then - I'll simply leave you to do your
job.

Cheers.

Shadow Minister

Pardon, I just read the entire first post. I guess I shouldnt try to do this when I am so busy because I miss things. TBO SM I am feeling really uncomfortable. I said to you I dont have time to look but I bet hes really popular. ( meaning his seats important)

Didn't know how important he was because believe it or not I dont really follow politics. This is not good SM .It reminds me how Pauline set set up - like her or not. Tell you what I think - if I am correct in assumptions this could well turn around 360% to bite somebody on the bum imop.

If that *is the case you would wonder why the risk was taken & that brings about more concerns. The old trick - your dammed if you do & damned if you dont applies. If he drags it through court - mus sticks even if he wins.

But at the end of the day thee isnt much talent on either side which is why people have voted with their feet to greens or others.

Nice try with the inuendo, but there was nothing to stick to the libs w.r.t the AWB scandal.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 7:59:00 PM

Sorry SM , I just saw your comment above as I was leaving the thread.

Thats not true at all . AWB was one of the biggest white washes pulled off In Australian History. ( and there has been a few)

The problem for ALP with the AWB is they would have loved to have used the stuff provided to Rudd especially at the time but ALP were not innocents either.

Governments come and go every three or four years and the system simply rolls over from one to another like a roll over bank account.

ALP knew if they touched AWB that would be the end - they thought.

These guys involved with AWB Landmark call them as you wish are the Underbelly's` That is why Rudd headed for the hills and that must of hurt back then to have to pass up getting Costello and Co charged among many others.

Possibly imop the only poly that may be been prepared to take that one would be xenophone - but he wasn't around at that time.

What you have to remember guys each Premier has Minister of trade rights / powers for their states . You got heaps of ALP state govs

So that would leave nobody to run anything- Probably we would be all better off when you think about it.

Kerry

KA,

Really,

Perhaps you have some information that the Judicial enquiry into the AWB didn't? Could you share it with us?

Shadow Minister

I will I promise and this is not a cop out - I just need to speak with somebody first. I am busy with another inquiry and there's going to be things I cant give atm. Also we are talking about meeting with Mr Abbott. I must put that first. I can talk freely about Kevin Rudd's part - if that helps.?

The AWB inquiry- of *course was informed . Its important you understand how these things are set up. I am not saying you dont - you would understand the term shaving evidence yes?

For the moment I will post this=fyi

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

I have always been more disgusted with Kevin Rudd over the AWB Inquiry & rightfully so. Headed for the hills- Other than the offer of a meeting a cuppa - nothing! Furious some people send strippers to the front of AWN to expose the cover & tbo at that time expose Rudd just as much. He has a duty to inform the public.

As soon as he was elected contact was made to his office to see what then- he was prepared to do. Promises were made- Mr Rudd said just give him two weeks to settle in - still waiting.

Shadow Minister

I should have added that was copied from a newspaper that a very Senior Journalist. He spent six weeks investigating evidence put before him. Had he not been so senior the story would have never gone to print at all. You know how the media is controlled no doubt. This is why this has bee a problem for so long . Both these media empires were involved in this trade as well Packer & Murdock.
Our intentions have not *changed and if Mr Abbott likes the programe and whats on the table in regards any evidence of a alp Minister misleading public it might go well. Or something else might pop up to take interest away. At this stage its looking good but only fools part with evidence before they get what they want - you would agree I am sure.

Your story up the top keeps me aware of course how the games played.

SM- the other thing is I am just posting as me Kerry. There are people dropping private names and names of organizations all over this forum.

These people are not here to defend themselves. So as its clearly done to stop me posting I may just very well have to.

T/C Kerry

No longer content with an "Australian Idol" Leader based selection procedure for governments, it's come down to simple morality tales.

Better not mention the Lib ex-PM who died "on the job" and the other one caught pants-less in Memphis, the other drunken womaniser who used to throw up on aeroplanes before they took off or even the potential PM who walked out on his family on Christmas Eve for his mistress. Without even going into which ex-Ministers were "playing bouncy-bouncy" with each other while in Canberra, there are many many more examples.

Nobody has a monopoly on morality just on the basis of their political leanings. Best to just ignore the lot of them - chair-sniffers included.

rache,

Lets face it as Lexi said no side- or person are without fault.
I do think what they do in their personal time however should be left out overall. Its what they do for their people in work hours that counts. ALP have a very sneaky way of making changes they think they can pull off. Just the other day I witnessed another class act and was glad i was there.
The phone rings( disabled lady I assist once a fortnight) its the home maintenance service through hacks state gov.
We are calling to ask you why you cant work- what medically is wrong with you etc. Shes 66 and disabled. That aside its from the people who fix taps etc ! Turns out there are changes being made... yeh of course, cuts somebody has to pay for that aid Rudd just doubled to Africa. Now if your 65 you have to wait until your 70 to get help. So Sad. No letters- and it could lets face it be anybody on the phone. I doubt the plumber has much experience in faulty bladders:) Hopeless. We really all should get up from behind our desks and walk in a turf the lot rache cheers.

rache, goodonya mate! but in truth Shadow Minister has a point, never ever wanted to say that!
I come from a life time of union rank and file.
My days as an official honored me, but could have began twenty years before I just did not think I was good enought to be one.
I got that wrong, I was.
But it is true, the charges laid against this bloke, he had no right to EVER spend members cash this way.
I have, and have seen other Australian Workers Union officials give freely from my own pocket.
And refused gifts, the odd carton of beer at Christmas , was as often as not given to a member.
But as in politics life its self, if you rort the job, use it for your own benefit, and some do, its a crime.
No time for Shadow Ministers one eyed views but, while I think the Abbott team makes it almost worth while [I think they are untrust worthy] he should be in prison.
Know however many on both sides should be in the past present and no doubt future the positions they hold see them avoid what you and I could not.

Hi SM...

I see you have incurred the spluttering ire of the OLO "league of lefties"...

"For a party that supposedly stands for family values, this lack of action is another example of breathtaking hypocrisy."

It could be worse...

the late Bob Collins expressed similar traits but died before anyone could get him to trial

to remind us

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/collins-killed-himself-report/story-e6freooo-1111114505163

to quote "Toohey writes that Mr Collins "did untold damage" to his alleged victims, was "consumed by a sickness" and was "the worst kind of hypocrite" when he spoke about the need to keep children safe."

it is, as they say, "leftard-typical"

My first loyalty is to OLO.
The last time I complained about a post to our sites owner and administrator about such a post as Cols above.
One that highlighted MAGGOTS within my party who had COMMITTED SEX CRIMES AGAINST KIDS!
And that thread even inferred I was a pedophile, I was not happy with the answer.
I was told, it had taken long and hard thought, before deleting it, and CONSIDERING MY PARTY'S HISTORY! only that it inferred I was a pedophile saw it deleted.
We, most of us, can be very rude, shamelessly so!
We DEFAME OLO not excluding my self here.
GY you have intervened in a thread here, FOR FAR LESS THAN THIS!
I think telling me, using the insult that I am lefty,is as bad as calling me a Ba*&^ard!
Col you are an unloved man, how dare you insult every one who thinks differently than you.
In dozens of threads, my right to opinions other than others has me branded, lefty
Not only you recently others took the stick to me for being an ALP voter?
I think GY you are too nice,yes conservative and yes very much so, but at some point in time we must ask, is free speech, on any civilized subject, to be freedom for some to get right down in the gutter.
Lets not get emotional, some may feel like striking me, that is ok, no problem for me,but we remember in the end OLO foremost is Worth defending.

Belly “The last time I complained about a post to our sites owner and administrator about such a post as Cols above.”

Really?

And which part of my post about the hypocritical socialist, Bob Collins are you prepared to contest

The quote from the Courier Mail

or

the fact that the socialist hypocrite, Bob Collins, was under indictment for child molesting?

Belly, maintain the rage, all that petulant blustering suits you

I do take delight in seeing how laying out the facts about socialist hypocrisy gets right up your pompous, inarticulate nose

“Col you are an unloved man, how dare you insult every one who thinks differently than you.”

Really, I am unloved?

I have a wife who thinks I am the absolute best…. And she is a lady who chose me over so many others
I figure, since she met me and married me, her opinion rates higher than the demented ravings of an emotional leftie who has never met me.

“Lets not get emotional, some may feel like striking me, that is ok, no problem for me,but we remember in the end OLO foremost is Worth defending.”

I would observe “On Line Opinion (s)” are best defended by

Allowing those with an opinion counter to your own -

or to use your own poor English “every one who thinks differently than you”

The Freedom to express our view and to recall historical notations from any document we choose,

Especially when those quotes illustrate the despicable hypocrisy of leftwingers, both high (like Collins and Thomson) and low, like yourself.

Your blubbering rant and emotional meltdown reminds me of the famous line by Jack Nicholas in “A Few Good Men”

(Belly - ) “You can't handle the truth!”

Footnote… I don’t get here as much as I used to, it had got all a bit bland

But Belly, responses like yours delight me.

So I am encouraged to post more regularly. -

If only because – someone has to stand up and expose what is evident -

The chronic hypocrisy of socialism and socialists

Col

Dont worry we all love you- you grump thing:)
Thank you for keeping the truth out there and giving a level playing field. His name hasbeen around a long long time & yes charges were dropped but- you know the way it goes.

I do feel sorry victims missed their day in court. That so often happens . Oh and you might like to notice the person your exchanging posts with thinks nothing of bring other people into the debate who are not even on this site! I feel physically ill still and little suggestions of familiar words tossed my way.

Socialists they are and by gee haven't we seen that here. Its said people are paid to post on forums etc doing pro political rants.

Although I am sure thats not the case here. Each post he makes is another notch in Tony Abbotts votes. Funny ah.

*The chronic hypocrisy of socialism and socialists*
Well said!

Col thank you for the chance to air my claims against you.
I do not wish tom engage with your fan club but must say this.
Many here do not read some posts, no doubt mine too.
But be aware you are being used, if more took the time they would see a very strange combination of crawling/ threatening/sharing your opinions for other reasons/ and purely nasty comments after all else fails, be warned many faces thoughts and ideas related to using others haunts you.
Now Col you and me.
I am just as good at insulting, may be better than you,you left a hole as wide as the Sydney Harbor heads for me to truly hurt you in your last post.
It is not worth the effort, see Col know this,I am in no need to prove to you I am your equal, in fact mate I am very much a better person than you.
Your fan club is not great, more than I are unhappy with the nature of your posts.
I am not a socialist, have no time for the greens or them.
You with deliberate thought, throw that insult at every one left of you,eight tenths of the world.
From that snot nosed kid to the person I am today, bad spelling and the lot.
Col if I am not a better man than you I am nothing.
I will make every attempt to have no further conflicts with you, are you man enought to do the same?

Hi KerryAnne me a “grump old thing” No, I am more “grunty” than “grumpy” :-)

“Socialists they are and by gee haven't we seen that here. Its said people are paid to post on forums etc doing pro political rants.”

Yes there are some folk around here, suffering a political imbalance or “list to port”, to use naval jargon. They may well be paid “agent-provocateurs”.

Speaking personally, I would love for someone to pay me for my inspirational word-smithing …. I might even be persuaded to turn-coat and “do it for Julia” – if the price were right…..

but I feel being paid any amount, a kings ransom even, would be like selling my soul…

of course, socialist have no problem in being “crayons for hire”… largely because they have no soul

“Each post he makes is another notch in Tony Abbotts votes.”

Indeed, as I said previously, it encourages me to do more and any remaining “wavering voters” will be likewise convinced of the merits of a return to Liberal economic common sense and the ejection of the labor and greens into the wilderness (which should suit the greens, at least)

Belly “be warned many faces thoughts and ideas related to using others haunts you.”

Do me a favour and name them

because I am boggered if I can think of who they are, except they obviously haunt you (projecting personal impediments on to others is a common socialist trait… largely due to socialists having no imagination to work with)

“I am just as good at insulting, may be better than you,you left a hole as wide as the Sydney Harbor heads for me to truly hurt you.”

Go for it, if you have the bottle

“It is not worth the effort,” – Belly’s having a testosterone-free moment

“if I am not a better man than you I am nothing.”

Oh, the "size" thing again

“no further conflicts with you, are you man enough to do the same”

You are pandering.. How demeaning…

You will never manipulate me to limiting what, when or where I will post

Col Rouge,
I am sure nobody would manipulate you least of all me.- You caught my eye in the Ikebal Patel thread. At that time i could not respond as I would have liked. I didnt want the thread to go off after a HKM attack. Then you caught my eye when you posted on another- "you said I am of no particular party etc.
I am not either & I found that refreshing.

So I went back and read some of your older comments laughed lots & thought you a grumpy but clever little bugger tbo. No offense meant.
There is any poster here seems pretty switched on too- I think for memory rawmustard( Hope I got that right-)

When I post its based on first hand knowledge. like on Landmark, AFIC Ikebal Patel & good old Mr Rudd-
Then I get attacked but in a *extremely personal manner*.
I dont have the gift of the gab like you - but I have a deep sense of justice void of any political party.

If you have the time one day I would like to discuss the Patel problem because this government is asleep at the wheel. I could use advise if you had any. I am deeply concerned about the lack of scrutiny on Islamic councils. I usually limit my posts to just topics I care about- so you may call me Miss obtuse if you wish.:)

Hi Kerryanne… I am not sure which thread referred to “Ikebal Patel”…

I will correct your assumption to political affiliations… I am a Liberal Party member. I was a Conservative Party member when I lived in UK and a Republican supporter (not member) when living in USA.

Those affiliations are by way of “mainstream” presence. As an individual and as a libertarian capitalist. I am probably to the right of most.

I do not believe in corporate welfare any more than I believe in individual welfare. Both forms of handout ultimately reduce self reliance and the personal growth which people experience through being responsible for themselves.

“Then I get attacked but in a *extremely personal manner*.

Yes, leftards seem equipped with as sharp a tongue as they have blunt a mind. Saying anything which criticizes their inane stupidity will bring personal attacks in all forms…. Trust me I know

But never get disheartened by the whining ninnies of the left

They are good at threat but poor at the follow through… or anything else which actually requires effort

Strong people know truth from falsehood and have the self confidence to walk alone in a storm of adversarial abuse

EG quote from dearest Margaret (Thatcher that is)

“And what a prize we have to fight for: no less than the chance to banish from our land the dark divisive clouds of Marxist socialism. “

Despite the failure of communism, we have another generation of idiots of the left whining on to do it again

However, intellectually, five lefties against one right winger is what most would call “a fair fight”

“Patel problem because this government is asleep at the wheel. I could use advise if you had any”

I do not recall “Patel”, specifically certainly this government operates in a comatose state, except where it comes to sticking their hand deeper into real peoples pockets

Whatever advise I may have I offer freely and you are equally free to consider or disregard it (and “freedom” is so much superior an option to socialist regulation)
Cheers

Col Rouge

Only want to let it be known I have read the threads last 3 posts.
I disagree.
But it is my job, as the one who understands OLO is not a school yard full of Bully's
To show self control.
Belly
Proud of my past present and future
No Coward but not a Child either

Col Rouge,

Firstly , sincere thank you for advise offer.
I apologize, on the mistake re political parties. I think it must have been Banjo who said that. Re -just remembered some stuff has gone to an inquiry& I have to remember what I can & cannot say on a publicly.

Do you know if I am allowed to post a email address to you on here? That way I could tell you everything- I am just not allowed to post publicly.


Regarding you-

Yes I have seen your comments referring to EG quote from dearest Margaret and found it strangely comforting & smiled
I am part pom too- Mothers side. Still make my cuppa as per English instructions.

*Strong people know truth from falsehood and have the self confidence to walk alone in a storm of adversarial abuse*

Nobody has ever brought tears to my eyes- until now. Maybe you just gave me the strength to continue but what earthly good it will do I don’t know.
I suppose if its lodged somewhere in history maybe one day some wise man or women can put it to good use.( Most likely a women ah Col Hehe.)
I spoke with a Senator last week & we discussed at meeting with your man. Its very important but they often use info & give zip.

*idiots of the left whining on to do it again* I do support one of their policies – just one tbo. No two actually . Tasi trees and live exports.

*I do not recall “Patel”, specifically *

http://www.afic.com.au/?p=2353

Since Ameer left six or seven years ago - . Well I watched on a daily basis & now its big problem. When Howard was there you could call if it was urgent( of course you wouldn’t unless it was) & the lovely staff would remember you & it was always handled- always appreciated & never ignored.
Mind you I am not happy about AWB or live exports but at least they was some brains and a bit of class.

Hi Kerryanne

If you email your address to Graham Young (editor OLO) he will, as he has done in the past, forward it to me....

from the url Doubtless Patel & Co Applaud the actions of Gillards mob... they can pat one another on the back for one anothers mastery of hypocrisy.

It is humbling to be told my simple words brought anyone to tears

Doing what you feel is right -

You have had the courage to make the stand, instead of being silenced

You can hold your head up high because you have faced the bullies

but most important

You know you have done what your heart told you was right, in that situation.

Re Tasi Trees and live export... we are all individuals and driven by individual motives so we may disagree on matters.

I do not hold a view on trees but I am not against live exports becuase I think the ones in an industry, often with significant investments (putting their money where their mouths are) still know better than politically often motivated activists driven by a nebulus ideology.

By the same token, whilst I am, generally, against government control of resources, I do make an exception of water (and I say that despite having spent some time a few years back as a consultant to the incompetents at the DSE (Dept of Scorched Earth))

Belly "Only want to let it be known I have read the threads last 3 posts.
I disagree.
But it is my job, as the one who understands OLO is not a school yard full of Bully's
To show self control."

You agree or disagree....

phone the RACV or someone else who pretend they care

I will defer to your penchant for bullying - although you are not very good at it

Self Control ?

No, Belly, when someone is motivated by heated opinions, based on the emotional hyperbole which compelled you to make your stupid post in the first place,

you cannot simultaneously claim "self control"

Someone with "Self control" would have exercised it and posted nothing

Col Rouge

Thank you , he already has it but i will write asking him to forward it to you.

*from the url Doubtless ..

Might be the case of whom carries the longest knife there.

*Doing what you feel is right -*

Yes, if its in 100 years time it might help somebody else to fix things.

*You have had the courage . *I hear you but I wanted to achieve something too.

*You can hold your head up high because you have faced the bullies*

Hehe Col, No I will have to run and hide under a rock like Kevin:)

You know you have done what your heart told you was right, in that situation.
Yes , for my parents it not myself. I was raised to be honest.

*Re Tasi Trees and live export.*
I agreed to disagree.

You have a Interesting background from my view.
btw I want you to know I don’t have two tags.! I am not a cheat & i hardly have time t post here using one!. I have spent far too much time on here tbo.If you look in the bully thread yours smart enough to know my time here is limited. So if I am no longer around you can contact me through the email address ok .

& thanks'

Col...you must treat ON LINE OPINIONS for what they are:) Its like facebook with the idiots running wild with what-every comes to mind.

Politics will all-ways have that stigma about its pittance, and prostitutiveness of what comes with our imitative No, Belly, when someone is motivated by heated opinions, based on the emotional hyperbole which compelled you to make your stupid post in the first place, small minds.

"No, Belly, when someone is motivated by heated opinions, based on the emotional hyperbole which compelled you to make your stupid post in the first place,

LEAP

QL "Col...you must treat ON LINE OPINIONS for what they are:) Its like facebook with the idiots running wild with what-every comes to mind"

I know - facebook without the face

I have been messing around on internet social networking since ICQ first hit dial-up and you had to wait a minute or so for the ascii text to bounce across the copper wires - longer if it was trans-pacific and the middle of the working day in LA

but it does make for some light diversions from real world issues and a cheap alternative to playing a poker machine.

I place responding to Belly right up there with free-style tiddle-winks or premier division macrami :-)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national-mp-kevin-anderson-also-runs-lobby-firm/story-e6freuy9-1226109971161
Shadow Minister! Sir I am shocked.
And in Tony Windsors area too.
From a saint like National party member.
Good Grief Belly, leave it out!
He has done nothing wrong, just sort of getting two pay checks for the one job.
No back to reality we are poorly served by letting any Polly any side miss use the job.
If the guilty left right now we would have a cleaner for PM and doorman for treasurer. opposition would be the pest controller.

Col Rouge

Bingo, and there is our Royal Commission we have been screaming for for years& this is the problem not just restricted to national but all the way through the lot of them.

Here is your Tonys smoking gun but something tells me the libs wont call for it either.I recall a young lady from Austrade years back contacting me & informing me shed had a call from Mark Vale instructing her not to assist in a perfectly good programe .

The Regional Regional Development, which is supported by the Department of Trade and Investment has been a problem for years.

I recall a chap down that way who wanted to purchase a abattoir.( I think in that very region) He had 99% of the $ cash. Asked Regional Development- No grants available they said.

6 weeks later they gave an ""offshore buyer"" & Kerry Packers company about 40 million to buy the same plant. ( I will have to check the figures)

The problem is going too be of course imop the opposition wont call for a royal commission but I hope Brad Bellinger and some of the others does because this is half public money .

Once you look at the real figures involved in the er, industry Col you might see a few things in the meat trade a bit differently.

Why do you think they put the idiot Bill Heffernon in charge of the current inquiry. So its both sides that are corrupt not just one imop.

The PM wont touch this with a barge pole because alp operate under the same system but i will.

Belly,

Shutting down a business does not happen overnight. It is not presently running, and has been shut down. The only claim of impropriety is that it took too long. It was also registered as an interest.

What is missing is any evidence of conflict of interest, only innuendo, by guess who, the labor party.

If this is the best you can do to counter the blatant theft and corrupt practises by a Federal Labor MP, then you are really grasping at straws.

SM

You asked me about AWB & I took time to respond. So I wont waste further time other than to say re on the matter that all depends on what other information marry s up & I repeat there are grounds for a broader investigation here- much broader.

Belly,

I saw yesterday saw a portion of an interview with Mr Thomson, and photos of the credit card slip (manual imprint of his card) and his drivers license. The signature of the slip matched that on his license, and had his license No copied on the slip as well.

Thomson, could not explain this, or why such an elaborate and detailed fraud (as he claimed) had not been reported to the police.

This has gone beyond reasonable doubt. The question is whether Juliar is able to defend having a crook on the Labor benches.

Shadow Minister I am sure you under stand it is my view the man is guilty.
And that it is my view he should be in prison.
I have never defended him never will.
You know just how proud I am of my union the best of them, not extremist left.
I played a roll in trapping and removing such a maggot, once.
Remain proud of that,
Do you see me use the word SOLIDARITY as a form of slander?
It is used to cover up such as This maggot.
His union, remember that! bought this to our attention.
Know just as you dislike Labor, I fear Abbott.
Both party's are unclean, have done worse.
As we hold on to power for only a short time I understand but do not agree with my party's actions
Shadow Minister, if old mate, you or a few others here could only one day say words of truth about your party what a great world we could start moving toward.

Belly,

This is not aimed at you. Juliar has two choices,

1 Hand Thomson to the police and risk losing power, but retain the moral high ground,or
2 Shield Thomson from the consequences of theft and fraud, and retain her grip on power.

Which do you think she will do?

Belly “Shadow Minister, if old mate, you or a few others here could only one day say words of truth about your party what a great world we could start moving toward.”

here are some words of truth firstly about the Liberal Leaders

Liberal Leader John Howard – devoted family man, still married to Janette
Liberal Leader Tony Abbott – devoted family man, still married to Margaret

Now some Labor Leaders

Paul Keating – divorced by his wife as soon as he lost the PM job, due to suspicions to his fidelity in the marriage.
Bob Hawke – fornicator and adulterer, carried on a long term affair whilst married to Hazel and abandoned Hazel to her dementia.

Here are a couple of other truths

Keating oversaw the failure of economic opportunity time and again
Howard…oversaw the recovery of the Australian economy to the point of producing surplus
Krudd and Gizzards – pursue more failures and generate government budget deficits

From the above, I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would wish to vote for anyone other than a Liberal.

But the moral values placed on marriage are possibly the same as those drive political decisions

Dear Col Rouge,

Just to balance things up a bit.
Why did you not mention things like
illegitimate children fathered by
Liberal leaders, or chair-sniffing Liberal
MP's, or Liberal MP's who are also
divorced and have had numerous relationships.
People are people - it's their performances in
their jobs that should concern us.

And speaking of that...

The Labor Party has:

1) Created a public health system -
Medibank and subsequently Medicare
in the 1970s and 1980s.

2) Snowy Hydro Electric Scheme.

3) Australian National University.

4) Invested in the creation of Holden -
Australia's first car company.

5) Invested in affordable housing for returned soldiers
and others less fortunate.

6) Dissolved the White Australia Policy.

7) Introduced the Australian National Superannuation Scheme
which secured retirement savings for millions of Australians
and is recognised as one of the best savings schemes in the
world.

Recent accomplishments:

8) Abolished WorkChoices.

9) Increased hospital funding by 50%.

10) Increased age pension by more than $100 for singles
and $76 for couples.

11) The Global Financial Crisis - Did what they had to do
and Australia came through stronger than most countries.

12) Strengthening the economy and getting the budget
back to surplus by 2013 - 3 years earlier than expected.

13) Developed a National School Curriculum.

14) Investing in Cancer Research and treatment centres.

15) Cut taxes in the last 3 budgets.

16) Record investment in infrastructure, like highways,
rail, and ports.

17) Funding over 1,000 new nurse training places every year,
and we'll have additional 1,300 GPs by 2013.

18) Creating 130,000 new education and training places
plus 50,000 university places.

And the list goes on.

It's all very well to have a surplus during a cyclical
boom period - however its harder to achieve something
worthwhile for the nation during a global financial crisis.
Also if you continue to save, save, save, you obviously
have to cut back on things in order to achieve the savings.
Unfortunately, the Liberal governments tend to cut back on
social services and infrastructure - which Labor has to
fix when they get elected.

cont'd ...

And, please note I did not use derogatory terminology
or sweeping generalisations to make points. It can be
done without ranting and raving.

Shadow Minister given I am a bully and try to control the site you can take my answer with a grain of salt.
But here it is,her chances of winning a by election in a seat I have assisted in are nil.
You are aware of my opinion of her.
However she will try to do just what Tony Abbott would,In My Opinion.
Hold on to power,at some future time, bet on the next election, he will be dumped and charged by his union.
Right or wrong it will be far from us to say it has not always been so in politics.
I hope you take this in the spirit it is meant, I want her to do these things before falling.
NBN Carbon tax, clear its current list including tax reform then head high go to the polls and let Australia speak.

Shadow Minister and Belly both cannot understand why more people have been voting for the Greens.

Wonder why?

With regards this government's achievements:

8) Abolished WorkChoices.

- and replaced it with an act that has resulted in reduced productivity and is hurting the retail sector. An economic regression to the 1980s

9) Increased hospital funding by 50%. -

Another cash splash, The "health reform" gives money to the states with no accountability or guarantees only" targets.

10) Increased age pension by more than $100 for singles
and $76 for couples.

- another cash hand out. These are regularly reviewed anyway.

11) The Global Financial Crisis - Did what they had to do
and Australia came through stronger than most countries.

- Only after getting a surplus and huge financial boost from the Howard government. Even then completely stuffed up the stimulus packages with the pink batt and BER spending wasted, and continuing far beyond what was necessary, leaving a debt far greater than it needed to be.

12) Strengthening the economy and getting the budget
back to surplus by 2013 - 3 years earlier than expected.

- This is not an achievement, as it has not happened yet, and probably never will. By what economic metrics is the economy stronger now than in 2007? I can't think of one.

13) Developed a National School Curriculum.

- This has been under development for at least a decade.

14) Investing in Cancer Research and treatment centres.

- As have all governments before..

15) Cut taxes in the last 3 budgets.

- No tax cut in the last budget, in fact with bracket creep and flood tax most people take home less.

16) Record investment in infrastructure, like highways,
rail, and ports.

- Really?

17) Funding over 1,000 new nurse training places every year,
and we'll have additional 1,300 GPs by 2013.

- without residents training positions for them, so they go overseas.

18) Creating 130,000 new education and training places
plus 50,000 university places.

- Which are likely to be empty, as since 2007 foreign students have fled Australia.

I still cannot think of a Labor policy that hasn't vastly under delivered or been ditched.

SM,

You state that you can't think of a Labor policy
that hasn't vastly underdelivered or been ditched.
I can't think of a Liberal policy that achieved
anything positive for the nation. So I guess that makes
us even.

Anyway, we know what you think and why.

That is blatantly obvious. Were you to admit even one
good thing that Labor has done - this would be quite an
achievement in itself. Typically, only criticising Labor
with nothing better to offer - except that
you've saved the country money by cutting essential
services like health, education, aged care, pensions -
et cetera - doesn't work. As Ammonite
said - and you wonder why you lost the last election.
Keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting
what you've got.

When I opened the thread, I decried the lack of action taken by the labor party in the Craig Thompson payment for prostitutes credit card fraud case.

I was wrong. The labor party did take action, they paid Thomson's bill for prostitutes in order to cover up the issue.

Juliar said

"I have complete confidence in the member for Dobell," she told parliament. I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come."

Of course she has, as Juliar now has him by the B@lls.

Juliar may now be an accessory after the fact.

http://www.theadviser.com.au/multimedia/video
TWO YEARS!
Tut tut Shadow Minister.
But I thank you, in the end you helped me no end in demanding links.
I found the site informative