*life goes on, night follows day, and the farmer raises his prices*

Ah that would be wonderful Rstuart, but for most of what they produce,
farmers are price takers. The international price of wheat has
many variables and extra tax for carbon is not one of them. So its
pay up or stop growing the stuff for the farmer. Next they will
complaining that there is a food shortage.

Unlike our city slicker voters, most of whom don't compete on
global markets and who will clearly be compensated for their
higher power costs. So they will be taking money from me, to give
to you, rstuart. For no good reason. You might think that is
fair, but I happen to disagree.

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@Yabby: Ah that would be wonderful Rstuart, but for most of what they produce, farmers are price takers.

Nice turn of phrase Yabby. But you know it is nothing more than that. If you were offered nothing, would you take it? Didn't think so.

And both you and I know the effects of the carbon price will be negligible compared to currency fluctuations.

And while we are on that subject, the appreciation of the Australia currency has means we have, wait for it, 8% more. Currency has increased by 25% 2006..2010 http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/pdf/chart-pack.pdf . Value of earned from food exports increased in the same period http://adl.brs.gov.au/data/warehouse/pe_abares99001766/AC10.4_Dec_REPORT_part1_12a.doc page 22. And you say we are price takers Yabby.

@Yabby: So they will be taking money from me, to give to you, rstuart.

They are taking money from me too, Yabby. At least that is what their web site tells me.

Kanne,you are such a toss.

Women often want to return to work but child care makes it simple not worth it.

Meanwhile, the good old single mum gets to go to the movies or play the pokies knowing full well someone else has picked up the tab for minding the kids.

Perhaps you should consider a Career in politics cause you would fit in just fine at the moment.

*But you know it is nothing more than that. If you were offered nothing, would you take it? Didn't think so.*

Indeed rstuart, I have given away a truckload of 400 sheep. At the
time there was no market, they had to go, so it was cheaper then
shooting them and digging a hole.

So farmers have to accept global market prices, take it or leave it.
As storage costs money, they can cut their losses, hope things
change next year, or do something else with the land. No wonder
that two thirds of the farmers in my area have left the land since
I've been here.

Any extra costs loaded onto farmers locally, they wear, unlike most
of our city slicker cousins, who simply pass it on.

Yes, commodity prices have picked up over the last 4-5 years. But
from woefully low prices, often below the cost of production. Then
they wondered why there was a grain shortage a couple of years later.

So your premise of farmers passing on costs, is fately flawed I am
afraid.

*And both you and I know the effects of the carbon price will be negligible compared to currency fluctuations.*

Currency fluctuations come with advantages, like lower fertiliser,
machinery and herbicide costs. Carbon taxes come with no benefits
to farmers, they are once again just there to be milked by our
mollycoddled city folk.

*They are taking money from me too, Yabby.*

Ah, ya poor thing, rstuart :) You of course are compensated or simply
pass on your costs. Not so for farmers, which was my point