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The law is an ass

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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-seek-law-change-to-lift-veils-20110623-1ghmi.html
And evidence from within those who control her religion that she could have unmasked.
The Photo is very sad indeed while wanting to laugh I also felt like crying.
I question the manhood of the perpetrators of this crime on women.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 24 June 2011 6:06:30 AM
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csteele your desperation to minimise and excuse the "alleged" actions does not help.

"Obviously! In that anger did she overstate her case, probably. All very human reactions though. Did it deserve six months in jail? Definitely not!"

The conviction wasn't about the in the heat of the moment reaction, was about the false complaint that someone claiming to be the woman lodged regarding that incident after the event. A complaint that could well have put the officer and his family through a lot of distress and if he had not been fortunate enough to have that recording have caused years of trauma for them.

It's clear that procedures for accepting and acting on complaints will have to be changed in the light of this incident but it's also very unlikely that the person who lodged that false complaint was someone else.

This isn't a poorly educated new arrival being put through the mill by officialdom, it's as I understand it a woman born here with a history of disregard for traffic laws and consequences with an apparent contempt for others who got caught out trying to harm an innocent party.

Someone who by her actions makes a credible case for those wanting ban's on burqua's and similar attire.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 24 June 2011 6:09:14 AM
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csteele

We have only the information publicly to make an analysis.

1. The woman refused to provide identification.

2. She or another made a statement claiming police harassment, but identification could not be proved.

3. While not admissible in court, she has prior infringements (but then I have had some speeding fines) so these claims are irrelevant, but unfortunately add smoke.

4. That she has children is irrelevant.

5. There is no evidence that the policeman was behaving badly.

You can ASSUME that she was treated unfairly, but at risk of making
an ASS out of U and ME.

Apologies to all.

;P
Posted by Ammonite, Friday, 24 June 2011 6:41:56 AM
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/jp-awad-chennaoui-did-not-see-face-behind-the-burqa/story-e6freuzi-1226080880188
This link includes the film of the roadside event.
It has further information and while three links are a bit to handle are well worth while.
I felt the need to get out of my verbal confrontation with csteel, I can not hide or walk away from my view such people muddy the waters.
Some times if we are not very careful they actually do it so well, we question our own belief.
I hold the view POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is a very real danger it forces minority views on majority's and is blind, deliberately so, to honesty and truth.
The three links inform and together in my view CLEARLY condemn the crowd the support team and the woman, be aware we all must not let justice be only for majority's.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 24 June 2011 6:45:26 AM
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csteel read the three links, the last one has the unedited film all of it.
You may just be a judge or something, but the fool law giver will not drink with me I have standards.
It is out the back
Too big to bring in
Your humble pie.
evidence has hit the table in those links that you can not avoid.
Finally you play with words,intended slur, is weak and you only add to my claims you are lost.
PS
NEEDLESS provocative but if you look you will find here who I am'
Allan [Belly in real life ]Bell.
How about taking that Burka off and unmasking.
While old csteel no one ever said I am
gutless.
Csteele lets forget the coffee I wasted far too much time in the company of leftist script writers of fairy tails in my youth truth has value.
Belly
Posted by Belly, Friday, 24 June 2011 7:18:48 AM
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People please!

If any of you would like to review my posts here they will find my focus has been on addressing the title of this thread "The law is an ass". I have often referred to what may have drawn the judge to his conclusion that he could not determine that the complaint of the woman was knowingly false.

 Many of you have tried to highlight different issues which is fair enough in a democracy however the denigration by some of Judge Jefferies was in my book unwarranted and without basis.

I remember a judge I went to school with telling me, over a quiet beer at of all things a comedy bar, that there are very few evil people, all the others are just ordinary people with a different life story to ours.

In my second post I said;

"Thank God for reasonable judges, it is probably why they sit in higher courts and luckily for the woman in question, judging by the tenor of some of these posts, she was not tried in the court of public opinion."

It is a theme I have maintained throughout this thread.

And I am very thankful that I live in a country where there is judicial review of cases and that there is a decent separation between politics and the law. The baying mob should be kept at bay and cases decided on their merits and Ammonite I would hope that any humane judge does take into account at sentencing the fact there are seven children involved.

Possibly the issue of burkas and identity deserved it's own thread because it has certainly muddied this one.

I'm not claiming this judge is Atticus Finch but the reaction of some here has helped remind me of the book.

Dear Belly I will have to wait until I am home in a few days as my phone doesn't support Flash and won't play the video, but thanks for the link.
Posted by csteele, Friday, 24 June 2011 8:23:32 AM
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