QL have another look at that post please.
I can say this, not a Catholic CoE in fact.
But from a strict Christian family.
We went to the only Church around, Methodist.
Today this and the last two generations never knew the pure bigotry that sex had imposed on it, by our so called saviors.
I too am happy it is open for discussion now.
But refuse to forget or forgive those who while telling us it was dirty did the most awful things.

Sex is important in any relationship. Even Christians know this. *roll eyes*

Had a coupla girlfriends that were 'good church girls'. Got some stories about them ... uh ... and me. Things like shame of sexual relationships, sexual health, sexual protection, and such are as antiquated as the burka.

We're ALL only just rediscovering sex again as natural and healthy. Stereotyping Christians as sexually repressed is like stereotyping atheists as without guilt and mature when it comes to sexuality. I appreciate this place is lacking psychologists, but you'll find MANY factors make up the psychological aspects of an individual. Abuse, dominant personalities, submissive personalities, anger, upbringing, experiences, diet, whatever, creates how people function.

I went to church and are a Christian and had/have a very healthy sex life. I had more than one partner throughout my life and enjoyed various ... uh ... times ... *cough* ... in my life.

as a former agnostic...[the sex was better before realisation that loving other poorly..was loving god poorly]...

so i guess yes..it was better before
[but then again its maybe i and my lovers..tend to carry more baggage with age..

the vile ammoung the sheeple
[who outlawed sin...specificly sexual sin]

who subverted the adulteration..
of gods good..{spirituality..in word}..
into a physical form..of..physical sexual..'adultery'
well thats just too *sic..

god is love..if its done of love its god
if its of lust...[and dont hurt no-one]..its good

[god is the good of good passion..
[salt that has lost its taste..is like dirt]

vile does its worst...with more passion
that doth good seek to do its do-gooding

no systemised belief is able to be run in/of itself
the sum total of all revelations of all the many
of good god's messengers..must be read
within the context of doing good
better[thus the karma sutra]..

calmer suiter/ra

lust is a powerplay
love is about closeness
sex is about relieving physical pains

about re-claiming a closeness...in the physical
that in the spirit..is an absolute state

knowing im making love to god
means my hands cant drop off

[but i do think im going blind]
more important is are her eyes open or closed

You know what they say about going blind, OUG...

Dear QL,

As Belly said - re-read your post to me. Does it make sense to you?
Then re-read my posts. You seem to have misunderstood what I've written. I was trying to address Suze's question, "Is sex better without religion?" And being raised as a Catholic - I tried to explain what my religion taught us. I did not say that I necessarily practiced what they taught.

You need time, active time in a relationship. Whether it leads to communication, as it frequently does, or to a romantic situation, or both. Too often when people are dating they're rushed into being sexual. I like to have taken the time to discover each other. If both of us like what we have found - it's exhilarating, and for me - sheer magic. As I've written in the past - the man that I find attractive is one who's snesitive, strong, and tender. I love tenderness, but it is the rarest emotion one encounters.

i dont know why i get into these things...butt..
[butter]..

sex is honourable..
and its lovable..
[chuckberry/'my dingaling']

its as normal
as breathing or breeding

we must see that religeons
sought loyalty to the creed
thus created a mar-rage of man and woe-man
to be equal the marrage of spirit..and the physical incarnate

in tying sex into adultery..
one must clearly observe the two naming words
as activity/nouns
not oppisites..

but clearly defined and established
rules..that resemble laws..

[darn i got a talker today..
i must find where his point leads]

point being sex is a thing
the spirit realm fixes in its turn

there are many who lust..in their heart
but manage a purity in their looking...that has its civil face
but their..inherant nature/natural instincts....[in the next realms]..are clear...for all to see..

meaning in the next life
more is given...

[what we really sought...thought..[desired]
not what we convinced others..we didnt notice
or thought acceptable...

*'in'..decent
soc/sigh-aty

only once fully satated
does..the urge..
{any obsessive urge]..
..fully gain wilful satisfactry supression

[we grow out of it..in time
but then find much of eternity
is devoted to refining it's arts]

even fart art
is still art

lord how good thy arte
better together..than appart

or better in that out
or out or in

just pull the finger