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Is sex better without religion?

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And without it ever having effected my sex life. (lol)

These are questions expanding a little I know, on the subject Suzeonline,
but I wonder if the media is having more negative effect on sexual practices and concepts, than even religion does.
Posted by thinker 2, Saturday, 21 May 2011 8:42:20 PM
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Suzieonline
Good question. I think you have to distinguish between religion meaning Christianity – or its nearer relations Judaism and Islam - as contrasted with other religions, for example Taoism.

Only about one sex act in a thousand results in reproduction. Also, if we think of human sexuality on a range from random promiscuity at one end, and perfect monogamy at the other, humans in general are towards, but not at, the monogamous end. Only a small minority marry as virgins and live faithful to one spouse until they die. The norm is a series of almost-monogamous relationships. And of course, as Kinsey found, the sexual landscape is enormously varied.

So the Christian view, that the reason sex was put on earth was so that only married couples could reproduce, and that everything else is a distortion of human sexuality, is simply not true.

Christianity has covered the whole topic of sex with a dreadful sense of shame and guilt. Basically there is no more sex-negative belief system. If you read Genesis to try to find the reason *why* God hated sex so much, it’s never explained. One day he made everything “and behold, it was very good”. Then next week, it’s the worst thing in the world. Many church authors identified Adam and Eve’s original sin with sex itself. When cast out they became aware of their nakedness, and were immediately ashamed. But it doesn’t say *why*. From then on, virtually every mention of sex is negative. For example – find someone homosexual? Kill them.

The Taoists took a completely different approach. Taoism does not recognize a “God”. It’s more of a nature philosophy. The Taoist view is that sex is normal, natural and healthy. Sex is categorized as a sub-set of the subject of health.

English has two sets of words for sex and sex acts. One set – the Anglo-Saxon – is obscene, harsh, dirty: (OLO's software won't even let me enter the words! - western culture's inherited Christian repugnance at the very idea of sex.)
Posted by Peter Hume, Saturday, 21 May 2011 9:22:02 PM
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The other English sexual vocabulary – from Latin and French – is clinical, sterile: penis, vagina, sexual intercourse, etc.

Both pretty awful.

The Taoist vocabulary is poetic yet anatomically specific. For example, sexual intercourse is “riding on clouds and rain”, clitoris is “wheat bud” or “mouse in a boat”, female orgasm is “high tide”, cunnilingus is “sipping the spring”, and male orgasm is “surrender”.

These aren’t joke terms, they are actually used in medical books about sex, of which an ancient classic is called “Medical Prescriptions”. The prescriptions themselves are quite funny. For example, it says something like this. “For depression, adopt the posture called Two Cranes Entwined. Practice nine shallow and then one deep stroke. Do this nine times (the Taoists were into numerology). Then adopt the posture Monkey Leaping. Practise so many shallow and so many deep, 7 times repeated. Do this each day for nine days. Your depression will be gone.”

BTW the Taoist view is that exclusive monogamy is mutually injurious. When I hear of Christians saying that having more than one partner takes something away from sex, I just shake my head in wonder at such commitment to ignorance.
Posted by Peter Hume, Saturday, 21 May 2011 9:24:25 PM
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Lol Peter Hume. I might just look into the taoist religion as an alternative to my now-defunct Christian ideas!

I too cannot understand how having one sexual partner for life can possibly make one more Holy and virtuous, or even more fulfilled, than if you had a few different partners over your hopefully long lifetime.

I have two close girlfriends who both met their husbands in high school, and are still with them 28 years later. They say they remain in love and seem happy, but they continually ask me questions about male appendages and sexually suggestive subjects!

I'm not sure if they ask me because I am a Nurse, and thus supposed to have seen many naked men over the years, or whether it was because I never actually settled down with my husband until I was 28 years old!
Posted by suzeonline, Saturday, 21 May 2011 9:54:42 PM
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Yes they are bored and curious, poor things. I'm not suggesting they're not in love mind you. No doubt they are and that is a great thing.

But it wouldn't matter if they'd married the handsomest wonderfullest man in the world. After a couple of decades, without a bit of outside influence, the sex is going to pall a bit, isn't it?

Oh yes the other good Taoist term is "the flowery battlefield", meaning relations between the sexes.
Posted by Peter Hume, Saturday, 21 May 2011 10:19:13 PM
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Lexi, you couldn't be any more out of date:....even if you tried.....and I don't know you either in the real world, nor this one you consider.

SEX is what we do. The worlds program is.....Do IT, but don't get caught.

A bit primitive...I know.....now 7 billion....maybe your the simplex of organisms that all hold as good, in a ten-rats in a box, and I know and you know what the out-comes will be.

The human is what the day will bring for the human.

And this is all you all see.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and when this planet fails, don't say you were not warned.

There will be price......but who will pay it?

LEA
Posted by Quantumleap, Saturday, 21 May 2011 11:27:02 PM
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