Loudmouth / Joe

I need to make one point. I don’t know how much contact you’ve had with the Muslim community. If you think most Muslim women are desperate for a “Western” lifestyle you are mistaken. Many Muslims genuinely look down on “Western” women for the way they dress and are proud to wear traditional Muslim garb.

The niquab may make “Western” feminists twitchy but it’s not something that makes most Muslim women unhappy.

"Western" Lefties get their knickers in a knot about “Islamophobia” and Muslim leaders play them as skillfully as Yehudi Menuhin played the violin. But the reality is that many Muslims view “Western” society with what they regard as its pretensions with real contempt. They regard their Muslim society as very much the superior one.

The truth is that politically correct "Western" Leftie do-gooder airheads have not the remotest idea how derisory and downright foolish they appear to Muslim religious leaders.

I do not know how this is going to play out as the proportion of Muslims in the the Australian electorate increases and parties are compelled to vie for the Muslim vote.

To quote Niels Bohr, or maybe it was Yogi Berra, prediction is difficult, especially about the future.

Dear Steven,

Malaysia is an interesting case. Stridently Islamic, the Sharia courts do have jurisdiction of State Islamic laws covering the 60% who are Malay Muslims but not the other 40% of the population. They “can generally only pass sentences of not more than three years imprisonment, a fine of up to RM5,000, and/or up to six strokes of the cane.”

They also have Native Law Courts which have jurisdiction over native law and custom.

Their system understandably borrowed heavily on the British however trial by jury was banned after 1995.

Last year they commenced installing female judges into the Sharia Court system.

Perhaps as corrupt regimes are replaced, the need to go to a religious ruling class for their perceived incorruptible positives will diminish. The confidence that comes with the removal of persecution and demonisation, plus the gaining of stable democratic government, will possibly allow the sharia system to evolve into a form that will meet the expectations of younger generations and make it less of a concern to non-muslims in countries like Australia.

This is why I think as I do, and what I think.
Show me one Muslim country that would change ANY LAW to accommodate any migrant group.
Show me any Muslim country that would let me wander around in my usual dress beer in hand, being critical of them.
Show me the Muslim worlds accommodation for me.
My head would be taken off if I did those things.
Tell me,but do not say bigotry, how many Muslims who came here for a better life, no bigotry, live on welfare.
Those of us who believe in no God.
In truth the Muslim faith alone is growing, already the worlds biggest maybe its only faith soon.
Am I ok to know that?
Is it once it happens ok?
What form, the century's ago learning and highly cultured Muslim faith?
Or the changing evolving one we see in every religion.
One powered by hate in many cases.
As we look toward space and wounder how long it will be before we find intelligent life there.
I wounder if we will ever find it here
We say we should accommodate that religion.
Not in its country's,but in ours, we are in fact saying here is my culture take it.
Climb out of that PC box see the world as it is look at death starvation and whole peoples without true education or hope, other than in an after life that never will be.
Accommodation of just what future for my country and the world?

All,
Here’s a little snippet we should thoroughly digest before experimenting with Sharia:
http://www.civitas.org.uk/press/prcs91.php

Steven,
I thought you were made of made of sterner stuff--I even had you pencilled-in for the lead roll in the upcoming OLO production of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqFWBNB2xfI

Now I’ll not so sure.

You’re sounding more like a natural for this roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxb0FGhs5GI

Belly wrote:

“Climb out of that PC box”

LOL,

I don’t think anyone has ever accused me of being in a PC box before.

BELLY, SPQR

I invite you both to climb into the REALITY BOX.

I ask you to consider the REALITIES of geography, demography and the Australian electoral system with senators being elected on a quasi-proportional representation system.

So what do you want to do?

--Bar Muslim immigration?

--Deprive Muslims of the vote?

--Ban the koran as Holland’s Geert Wilders has suggested.

As the proportion of Muslims in the population rises the Australian society will have to make some changes to accommodate them.

--You know it.

--I know it.

--Everybody who does not have his head buried in the sand knows it.

All I’m suggesting is that instead of the change "just happening" we start thinking now about how to manage it and what red lines to put in place.

Let’s have some REALISM.

Let's not kid ourselves.

IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ACCOMMDATIONS FOR ISLAM.

To think otherwise is cloud-cuckooland stuff.

Steven

>> IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ACCOMMDATIONS FOR ISLAM <<

You mean the same way we make allowances for Christianity in our schools, tax-breaks, in government and in being expected to regard Christians as somehow 'special' in a way that the rest of us aren't?

In one way or another we are going to learn to get along with each other - probably won't be in my lifetime or yours, but we cannot keep on giving special privileges to ANY religion and not expect others to want the same privileges.