As always - the voice of reason prevails.
Thank you Pericles.

Sorry Lexi and Pericles, I see no voice of reason here.
It is hard to except that my concerns,truly held,are discounted as not based on understanding or fairness.
Not based on contact, real daily contact, with Australian youth of Muslim faith.
Youth who turn on a penny from nice young men hate filled ranters.
I am charged,even by myself some times, because I truly, think any religion has no right, none to get involved in politics.
I question what is multiculturalism,was it once a welcome door to come and make a life in our country.
To both blend in and keep ones own culture.
Then why is it now powered by separatism?
Why the need for a different set of laws.
Why the desert dress that highlights separatism.
If I am racist so be it.
But understand,this country is concerned,tell those of us who are concerned to be quite is not going to change that.
If any one thinks these concerns are all inclusive, held for every Muslim, they are having them selves on.
I will live and die Australian, free to think as I wish.

stephen by selectivly short quoting
my words missrepresents my last point

""OUG wrote:

>>think why..was..the translation
you supplied..even translated>>""

ie of all the texts they COULD translate
why translate the ones..that reveal blind hate/mate?

clearly in the adgenda
is your reply

""As you know I do not comment on the rights and wrongs of Israel.""

yes your land right or wrong
god took it away from you
and man'belfore letters'..gave it back

those in occupation of the holy lands
are the so called beast...'standing in the holy of holies
AS WITNESSED BY THEIR DEEDS globaly...

from assasination to spin
the proof against zion is in...

[yet we must reveal our own love
of the one true good[god]..by turning the other cheek]

I TOO..do occasionally correct matters of fact.

but not so stephen
instead he revives..the initial thought

""You made a SPECIFIC ALLEGATION.""

mate i have made many specificly

""You asserted that Hamas Member of Parliament and Cleric Yunis Al-Astal had been "misstranslated". That was your word.""

mate that waas in the cut and paste
[from its link]

but i hope people notice
his point scoring..is an own goal

and his saying...""

I rebutted that specific allegation.
From my perspective the matter is now closed.""

that specific point
was the full quote of the short quote YOU quoted

please note again my final point
why chose to translate cccrapp
unless it serves your adgenda?

we never heard of this nutter
till your people..translated his vile words

WHY?

""I think there's been a lot of "scaremongering" over this issue.""

yes there has been
WHY?
think of whats going down in your homelands
the media needs a destraction...just like your peeple allways do

dont worry about us
being worse than the natzie
who finally got the holylands..[for their 4 th reiche]

cause..by their works
you will..*know them

Why is it so?
All the books man wrote, that became the Holly books and Words of their Brand of God.
Had great wisdom within them, every one.
Great evidence of humanity its wrongs and rights.
And indeed brilliant evidence of mans Intelligence.
Hidden within them, again every one, are answers to every question about daily life.
Including both yes and no, to every question.
We see the methods too of control in every one.
I have do doubt, not a bit,good people follow every one of them.
Why have I not yet found the brilliance that gave birth to each of them, in any poster defending them here in OLO?
Just name any great book any wonderful story, it too came from mans great brain.
But if man asks this question, are we ready to stand without the help of props and watch the reaction.
This thread has those who say it is a right, to in some degree impose laws based on fables on me.

Pericles,

I'm surprised by your reference to 'traditional' Aboriginal punishments, as if they are uninfluenced by contemporary political and social change.

Try this: a couple of men from a particular community, one (A) from the power-family - the family which controls the council, distributes the houses and jobs and has overwhelming organisational superiority - and the other man (B) from a marginal family with no particular influence and a lot of vulnerability.

Imagine person (A) kills person (B) in an Alice Springs toilet block. Suppose that the judge orders that a traditional punishment be carried out. What are the options of the family of the murdered man (B) ?

* they can carry out the sentence, spears through the leg, and be thrown off the community: no jobs, no house; or

* they can give the murderer a pin-prick, as long as it draws blood. That way they keep their jobs, their house and won't be beaten up continually and their girls won't be assaulted. Continually.

Hmmmmm .... gee, that's a tough one. It certainly has been for many relatively powerless Indigenous people.

Meanwhile, the social context - if you like, the infrastructural context too - has changed somewhat since 10,000 BC: instead of physical punishment being the only option, people now can be jailed, they can be fined, or they can be ordered to do community work, depending on the severity of the offence. It's a bit like replacing the ducking-stool or stoning with investigation and analysis and perhaps a fine, or the barbaric hacking off of the hands of thieves with a prison sentence.

You know, substituting something civilized for something barbaric and primitive, when the means are available, instead of mindlessly replicating the means of redress of yesteryear, even though the context has been thoroughly transformed.

Joe

Seema Like keysar Trad Got on the ABC programme 'The Drum' with a speel about sharia and it got 350+ comments.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2718918.html#comments

I don't mind muslims using sharia as a guide to the way they run their lives, as long as rhey do not try to implement any aspects of sharia that conflict with our laws.

This is the aim of the submission to the parliamentry inquiry. They are seeking to have our laws endorse parts of sharia that currently are in conflict.

I trust the inquiry emphatically rule that out.