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The forgotten culprits of woe for Aussie families

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Ah clearly some people want a Nappy State. The Govt ready to
change your nappies, at a moment's call. If life is not working
out, we need somebody to blame, so lets blame the Govt!

Time to take those nappies off, people. Its up to you to change
your lives. Its tough in the real world, outside of Australia.

This is another article of a nappy state:

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/economy-interest-rates-big-banks-GFC-pd20110512-GS6V9?OpenDocument&emcontent_spectators&src=rot

Mark Bouris, complaining how tough families on 150k a year have
it, because they can't afford the 750k mortgage. The poor dears.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 16 May 2011 12:30:54 PM
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Except when it comes to farming and business subsidies Yabby hey....
:)
Posted by pelican, Monday, 16 May 2011 2:37:57 PM
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Not so Pelican. Where have I ever suggested or encouraged farming
or business subidies?

Remember Govt subsidises businesses, cause they want jobs. Or else
business is free to pick up the bat and ball and go elsewhere.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 16 May 2011 2:58:57 PM
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Fair enough Yabby.

My utopia involves governments supporting the framework that allows people to best utilise their skills and goals, and one that allows a variety of life choices not all skewed to some warped economic growth principles. That usually means not aspiring to the same economic standards of the Third World and selling out one's own country due to a misinformed allegiance to globalisation.

The world is not ready for globalisation until it has rid itself of despots, dicators and corruption and we are all working within the same level playing field. Free trade and globalisation work to enable a small elite grow richer while allowing other industries and agricultural products to degrade on the back of cheap labour.

95 percent of the worlds wealth is held by five percent of the population. For me Yabby, that scenario is something that democratic systems should not encourage or foster.

The difference of quality of life between the First and Third Worlds is a social safety net. It is possible without creating the ersion of a 'nanny state' in the sense you paint it.

We all pay taxes to this nanny state and we should expect some services and infrastructure in return to create greater wellbeing that works for us not against us. That might mean greater democratic participation by citizens so we can make some of these decisions for ourselves.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 16 May 2011 3:12:22 PM
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That we are Pelican, although I think you explain it better than I.
Posted by thinker 2, Monday, 16 May 2011 3:58:42 PM
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*Free trade and globalisation work to enable a small elite grow richer*

Nonsense, trade and globalisation have dragged hundreds of millions
out of poverty, globally. Australians today are better off today
then they ever were, under high tariff barriers. You go and tell
the poor that they should be paying 40 bucks for their t shirts,
rather then 10 bucks. See what they think.

*95 percent of the worlds wealth is held by five percent of the population*

A flawed and meaningless statistic, no doubt with a political
agenda attached to it and meant to impress those who can't use
a calculator. Like Pelican for instance :)

Who owns the Congo or Ethiopia for instance? Govts, who have a large
share of the wealth, as they refuse to give title to their citizens.

The wealth that you are seemingly so concerned about, is created as
a consequence of the capitalist system and people's trust in it. Take
it away and that wealth is gone. Facebook founded by a young college
drop out, now has 500 million subscribers and is valued by the market
at 50 billion. Without that market, its not worth anything.

Remove the system that you hate so much and we'll simply all be poor.

*We all pay taxes to this nanny state*

Yes we do and we know where most of it goes. 120 billion in social
welfare, 60 billion in health, 30 billion in education, 20 billion
defence. Social welfare is by far the biggest expense.

12 billion in interest on Govt debt, which we pay becuse Govt has
overspent since Costello left.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 16 May 2011 7:02:57 PM
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