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Making people employable is the key to welfare to work reform.
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Posted by one under god, Thursday, 5 May 2011 2:21:05 PM
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First step in my view is not turning unemployed in to low income workers.
Belly, forgive me but what income bracket should they be in ? Middle Class ? I along with millions of other working people would instantly opt for being unemployed. As I keep saying, put people into a situation where their own initiative is required and instantly, you'd see a change in mentality. Being the good Country that Australia is we shouldn't have any unemployed or poor in the first place. It's an indictment of blowing our own trumped as to how good we are that ends up with so many poor & unemployed and worse, with so many unemployable. Yes, it's OUR FAULT for getting rid of all that instills discipline. Let's get it back. Provide but don't give. Help but don't do. Bloody simple if you ask me. Posted by individual, Thursday, 5 May 2011 3:50:15 PM
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Belly,
I do agree that just because someone is looking for a job they should not be forced into a position where they get exploited. CDEP (CEA now) for example was designed to keep the unemployment figures down by giving the unemployed two days work/pay. A disgusting method by all Governments. We do have a minimum wage, so why can't we have a maximum wage also ? In private enterprise if you're good enough you make the dough, in the Public Service if you're no good you get more than someone who is good. When working for the Public Service there should be limits for unemployed & employed. Posted by individual, Thursday, 5 May 2011 7:17:30 PM
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Of course the thinly weighted leaders such as we have now, Abbott and Gillard are indulging in the populist bashing of the underprivileged. The people the least able to defend themselves and lets not forget their other target, refugee's.
While Telco and Tollway Corporations, Banks etc employ contracts both arbitrary and punitive on their customers, Miners and Poker Machine Operators advertise their way out of paying appropriate amounts of taxation or obligation to contribute to the social betterment, we expect the unemployed and disabled to adhere to a mutual obligation of responsibility, but not one of our political leaders would have the backbone to make the big end of town do their bit and contribute. In the case of the Australian battler/consumer/worker (apparently encapsulated in the outer western suburbs of Sydney), we find these people who don't care about never getting a pay rise to compensate for inflation, don't care, about having little or no job security,don't care about the environment , but are deeply concerned about dole bludgers and immigration/asylum seeking. Good job that these boneheads are not spread Australia wide or we would have a real problem. Sm, I think it is apparent that conservative side of politics today is a shameless rabble of extremists and looneys, bent on achieving power at any cost, with the Labor party dragging along behind them on a chain. The new soft Tony Abbott does not cut it and the PM hasn't. I'm am still fearful of TA's comment to Tony Windsor that "he would do anything to become PM" during the post election negotiation with Independents, that scares the pants off me. Whether it's the softer Tony, or the scripted Tony, it's the real Tony that worry's me SM. Beyond that, taking the underprivileged out, and having them publicly flogged, seems to be a political point kick in the eyes of both our major parties at the moment. Shame really isn't it, that this is the best they can come up with at the moment. Posted by thinker 2, Thursday, 5 May 2011 8:42:07 PM
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I hate the following on so many levels:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/gillard-announces-teen-parent-plan/story-e6frfku9-1226050332251 Teenage parents' social security payments, worth up to $625 a fortnight, will be cut if they don't go back to school to finish year 12 when their baby turns one. They will have to attend meetings at Centrelink six months after their baby is born to prepare them to resume school. Currently, parents don't have to look for work until their child turns six. Participants in the scheme will receive extra support to cover most of the cost of childcare and parenting education classes. Ms Gillard said if eligible parents refused to participate in the scheme without good reason then their welfare benefits would be suspended. "But that's not what this is about," she said. "This is about engaging parents so they have a better life and their child has a better life. "Yes, there's compulsion, there's responsibility, but there is opportunity at the centre of this measure." Posted by Jewely, Thursday, 5 May 2011 8:52:57 PM
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Individual those two posts do not address anything I think, endorse, believe in,
Thinker 2,are you aware of just how hard it is to help some who are out of work? Do you understand in that figure 4.5% are both the very defeated unemployed who do not have the self confidence to even try any more. Have you seen, spoken to , and tried to help those who refuse to work ,any work any job? Would you carry night soil in one hand and pick up the rubbish tin at the front gate on your way to the truck. I have in QLD years ago. Not every one needs to be a boss,some of todays unemployed ,with help would love just to work. Some are out now breaking and entering homes, sponsored by social welfare, do not believe? you should. Every cent we pay to those who will not work is wasted, should be spent on helping the honest ones a job should be both a right and an honor. Jewerly,you above all understand,some are baby factory's. Not all some. I rared 5 children for such, she had the welfare I had the bills and kids. Education is a promise not a threat, without it pain can destroy both mum and kids. Posted by Belly, Thursday, 5 May 2011 11:07:36 PM
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recall.."world serious cricket'
thats where..i learned to summerise a point
when one of them rich bar/stewards
bought up..the cricketing cream
and sent the comment-traiters in
to teach us ludites..the mainly art..of crickets
[ie rubbing ya ball..till ya pants turn red]
or standing at silly/point
completly off ya stump
it wernt till i heard a joke
about..the religion of cricket
that i got it
[its a top joke]
but not half the joke of real cricket
[ya know the ex captain is on speed...thats why he is fast
but also why he is angry..[or warnie..too good to play basic crickett
butt/hey*
now theres..a thought
we could play sports..as our..*work for the doll..commitment
i always wanted to be a paid beer-taster
[paid cause i detest the stuff]..
but wouldnt mind
being a smoke's tester...
its so nice to have a govt that wants us to be happy
trouble being they thing..we are just the swinging voters
personally i wouldnt have anything to do
with a femail pm..who left me swinging
need backbone in me pencil
not peny-silum..in me bum
i always wanted to write trite commody
but too late found i couldnt write
[my teacher thought that would be the best joke]
said one day i too will laugh
well juliar..im not laughing
i didnt mention how i had a run in
with one of them paid to be a mum..teendrama-queen's
tried to run up my bum..
with me on a pedal/pushy..
her in a white[commie-door?]
reg number 455 fku..[really..!]
she was all mouth..with 3 kids under 4
them poor kids..got no chance
i bet her dad is on dole
her favourite line
is 'pedophile]...pedophile..pedophile
at the top of her voice..in a car park
after tryinjg to run me and my peddly over
she was one of them..who you just know
is going to raise some intresting kids
i think god is trying tyo tell me i agree with the new
'earn or learn'... tag..i gave rudd..not juliar
anyhow kevie..now she's reading my email..2u
or else wayne is currying favours