Just enjoyed my bit of tribalism. Followed the baseball game between the Philadelphia Phillies and the New York Mets. I regard it as a harmless bit of tribalism.

Our tribalism is fostered by myths such as those of religion, nationalism, ideology and racism. One myth is the messianic myth or that of pie in the sky by and by. It denigrates the present in the hope for a glorious future and possibly an updated version of an Edenic past. It creates a history with a sharp beginning and a defined end. It may justify atrocity as a necessary means to attain that glorious end. I believe we emerged from a murky past and gradually developed consciousness. History will end when nobody is around to write it. A great deal of harm has been done by the idea that history has a direction and meaning. Those who believe they are on the right side of history also may believe they are entitled to slaughter those who are on the wrong side of history. Thus the Jews had no place in the tausend Jahre Reich, and the class enemies had no place in the formation of the Marxist classless society.

Germany will not dominate the world, and there will be no classless society. One of the ways to rouse people for war is to say that another entity wants to rule the world.

Jesus is not coming back. If he were the messiah he would have been sufficiently competent to get it right in the first place. The idea of Jesus coming back to fix things is just another version of a cargo-cult mentality. The historicism of Marx is a secular variant.

All we have is the present, and all we can do is to make the best of it in hopes that it will carry a bit into the future.

Rather bleak, davidf.

But spare some compassion for rationalism, secularism, objectivity (lol) etc etc. These shall surely guide us to the promised land?
Verily, I do believe this age surpasses all others in terms of sheer credulousness.

yet again we agree david
jesus aint comming 'back'

but then also..[again]
we disagree

the holy book says
he will 'rule'..from heaven
[this will need a valid system to commune with other realms]

or at a minimum..those claiming to act...
as his representatives on earth..tio act like he did

do as we sen him do..[so to speak]

why are you so against other dimentions
[even science gives them a possability of being]
is it to hard to concieve there is more to life than..'life'

time after time i have explained
how energy cant be created nor destroyed
[thats not me saying it but science]..

we know life comes only from life
living sperm enters a living egg
[science has never made life]

the life energy at physical death..goes somewhere
here is a living being..and here is a dead being
the only difference is the life/force..is gone

we all have a future
those who think death finishes it..might be in for a shock
but those who have thought about it will have bragging rights

and if im wrong
you can..*never say to me

i told you so
i of course will only smile and wink..
and say there is me..as i was

before i sat down
and studied the science
and found much of it fraud

at least try to act supprised
when you die..and find out...your not dead

and things are even better..than i have tried to explain

Dear Squeers,

I don’t think my view is bleak at all. I see more hope in living in the present than in believing in Christian or Marxist pie in the sky by and by. I don’t think there is any promised land. That is more of the messianic nonsense.

I applaud rationalism and secularism. However, we have an irreducible irrational component in us, and I don’t think that is entirely bad. Although their conclusions were stated most rationally I think an irrational component in the psyches of Newton, Darwin and Einstein caused them to reject the received wisdom of their day.

Sometimes irrationality comes masked as rationality. The Marxist class struggle is only the religious battle between good and evil wearing the clothes of rationality. His advent of private property as original sin and the eventual millennium of the classless society is mystical nonsense masquerading as materialism. To characterise an economic system as evil is more mystical nonsense. It is analogous to characterising a predator-prey relationship in an eco-system as evil.

Recognising that the present is what we have is a great start in making the future a little better. The economist Keynes had this to say for long run prophecies: “In the long run we are all dead.”

classic davidian/quote

""Sometimes ir*rationality
comes masked as rationality.""

never a truer word spoken
take mr/ein-stein..[one stone]

who has a theory*..E=mc2

energy
equals
[mass..times the speed of light]
..times the speed of light

ie a really big *number
but as useless..as teats on a bull

but mixed with the lies
and deceptions

we get masses of truth..

[re/energy]

energy can*t be created...!
nor destroyed..!

but einstein
can claim lol
..*to multiply a weight unit
with a distance unit..

to make lol
an energy unit

how clever are you david?

YOU WANT MORE SCIENCE?

how about presure..in a container
you got taught that the 'presure'
is caused

*by particles BOUNCING off the walls

ie pure hokkum..!

[what really is happening
is at the atomin level...

right at the place
where an atom..has its orbiting electron..or electrons

squash in more air molicules
and their electron orbit planes
are forced to interact...nearly touch*

but in more..they push each others
orbiting electrons
..into lower orbital planes..

[and do this..to enough of them]
you get a change of state...

you can do the same with cooling..!

but heat it..or release the presure
the electrons/neutrons..etc..*

*RESUME their normal orbit..arround the atom
and become the air constituants..etc

THAT they were
*before we began these..*NEW/revealation's..

thats what really happens..!

...i have put up
three BASIC..delusional..ERRORS of science

there are hundreds of others..
but correct just THESE 3

LOL..

*if you can

[3 seals broken]

davidf:
"I don’t think my view is bleak at all. I see more hope in living in the present than in believing in Christian or Marxist pie in the sky by and by. I don’t think there is any promised land. That is more of the messianic nonsense".
But you believe in the Enlightenment do you not?

Marx didn't believe in pie in the sky nor original sin nor evil as a primal force either, and neither do I.
Messianism is interesting but so far as I know Marx never even used it even by analogy. He certainly never believed in any form of Messianism, nor utopia. These are just words you use to parody a thinker you but poorly understand; this statement is self-evident and based on your words.
Of course some post-Marxist thinkers have used messianism, 'somewhat'--Horkheimer, Adorno and Benjamin to name a few. This was nothing literal of course, but more in the way of their concern that even if a better human world could be achieved, there would be no redemption for past sins, most notably for them, the Holocaust.
I used the word "evil" for our economic system, but then you've used it several times to attack Marx and I don't think either of us meant it in any literal sense.
What disturbs me about rationalism is its complacency, which tends to support the status quo in its moral insensibility. This is necessary and even admirable in the lab, but since rationalism in its various garb is today setting itself up as an anti-doctrine, its faux-doctrine translates as cold-blooded objectivity, resignation and ultimately conservatism: "Recognising that the present is what we have is a great start in making the future a little better".
With respect, this is nothing but rationalisation, puerile subservience to a morally indefensible state of affairs.
“In the long run we are all dead.” True, but at the moment we're alive and this amounts to abnegation of responsibility!