Dear csteele,

We can interpret the experiences we cited as a reason to suspect thst humans who have connection with each other can communicate thoughts and feelings in some way that we don't know. However, to extend that to the concept of a universal human consciousness is, I think, not justified. I think all humans have some common reactions to similar stimuli. However, I don't even know what is meant by a universal human consciousness. Can you and will you give an example? If you answer yes to that I will ask for the example.

david quote...""to extend that...

ie..""thAt humans..who have connection with each other
can communicate thoughts and feelings..in some way that we don't know...""...''to the concept of a universal human consciousness..is, I think, not justified.""

ITS FUNNY DAVID..LAST NIGHT SBS
damm cap loc...anyhow there was a science program
on 'conciousness''..just last night....

[as usual..they didnt explain nuthing]
sure they went into a mummy brain...

ended up with numberless neurons...[all interconected]
but couldnt 'find..NOR EXPLAIN''...conscieniousness

ie the me/you/i
..in all that neuron connection

]fact is science dont know
[thus you get a fool dorkins saying there is no heaven
on his science instruments...yet he KNOWS he isnt making himself live]

he knows science has never MADE A LIFE
and dont got no idea where the me is in all that brain activity

in short they dont know
and cant replicate that god alone does
..*for everyone..[living]

""I think all humans have some common reactions to similar stimuli.""

yes we NEED TO KNOW....why?
how..who what why and when

those who dont know make up spin
yet the truth is so simple even a child can grasp good[god]

""However,
..I don't even know
what is meant by a universal human consciousness."'

lets try to guess
it means an awarness beyond that a beast would have
of the higher things..applied to higher reason..than the self..

to be human is to know we are all flawed
all works in process

uni-verse-al..is the one united god/[wholly spiritus]
[goodness/grace mercy applied]

equally..with compassion

to all
sustained to live..by gods good love
by his good/will alone

""Can you and will you give an example?"'

sure...every good thought comes from god
a not good thought cannot come from god[good]

we are all like sheep/goats/wheat/tares
depending on which inner voices..
[from which realms]..

*we chose to enact..
*into this reality..

Dear davidf,

LOL, a touch droll my friend.

An answer and an example is forthcoming.

Yes.

As a bit of a fan of the original Star Wars perhaps the notion of the 'Force' is a portrayal of a universal consciousness. A connectedness through time and space.

Children seem to be a little more tuned to whatever it is as do tribal peoples.

But us adults are not bereft of the 'gift' even those who are uncomfortable about acknowledging it. Port Arthur certainly had my antenna screaming. A deeply foreboding place of misery and yes evil.

If one accepts there is a mechanism at play I'm not sure that one can be confident about it only engaging between people who know each other. I mean if yogurt can be shown to do it then why not humanity, especially with our six degrees of separation.

Possibly all flights of fantasy but as I move through a reasonably rational existence I do enjoy little disturbances to my complacency that difficult to rationalize occurrences seem to bring on a regular basis.

All good fun.

Dear csteele,

You didn't give an example. You cited a movie based on a fantasy and made generalisations about children, tribal people and 'gifts.' I have dreams and fantasies, too. They can be fun. I had a great one the other night. I was dancing with a luscious woman in a filmy black dress.

I don't think there is such a thing as a universal human consciousness. However, if there was evidence telling of such a thing I would consider the evidence. What we know and see is wonderful enough without fantasy, but fantasy can be fun. I just enjoyed "Sappho's Leap" by Erica Jong. It's a reconstruction of the life of Sappho bringing in Greek mythology and having Sappho encounter the Amazons, the Land of the Dead, centaurs etc.

Dear OUG,

"You wrote: sure...every good thought comes from god
a not good thought cannot come from god[good]"

God is a creation of man. If there is such a thing as a God there is no reason to think that the Bible, the Koran or any other scripture around has anything to do with God. There is no more reason to believe in the miracles described in the Bible then there is to believe in centaurs, amazons or the other bits of Greek mythology. However, if one does take the Bible seriously as the word of God, God creates evil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.

Creating evil means creating evil.

stimulated thinking

quote/david..""God is a creation of man.""
the abrahamic version of god...could be
construed to be a creation of man
but..

to put..the due on man
when the due is definitivly..NOT from man
[ie the uni-verse/creat-ion/creat-ures]..
reveakls the foible lies with men..[not god]

""If there is such a thing as a God""

god is neither thing
nor man..rather all things...all man

""there is no reason to think that the Bible,
the Koran or any other scripture around has anything to do with God.""'

i certainly agree
we can take..but on faith[that mens words]
acturatly represent what the writer intended to convey
or indeed that the many messenmgers..claiming to reveal the god/good..were in fact..ascribing that truelly good..of god

""There is no more reason to believe in the miracles described in the Bible""

i fully agree..indeed have rebutted many so called miracles
[gods miracle is in nature[reflective of the nurture inherant in nature...]

he dont 'do miracles'
[anghels and demons often do]
and im not sure even of angels doing

as jesus said ye unbelieving nation[needing miracles]

the feeding of the many is simply a description of a rule obsessed group[sitting oppisite each other...ignoring their hunger..in lue of being able to wash their hands[the rite of eating]

simularilly the miracle of water into whine
[not just any water..but effectivly TOILET water
no one wopuld serve their guests the best whine from a dunny..!

jesus said its not yet my time..[at canna]
and i believe him

""the Bible..as the word of God,""

thats bull[look at the names
they wrote it[inspired by angels/demons..but not god
he has enough to do making us live[natural reflex]..
[autonimous system's..gravity/light/logic..logus]..all good/god



""Isaiah 45:7
I the LORD do all these things.}..

yep..the lord might
but the lord is many lords
there is but one good/god

but god does..so much more
its from god..if its all good

""Creating evil..means creating evil.}}

mate they were dislectic

use the letters
vile/veil/live/evil
now read it from left to right
now change it to latin..or chinese

mere words..of men
god is living...

*LIFE is his sign...not words

Dear davidf,

You asked me what I meant by a universal consciousness and the example fitted the task perfectly. If you had asked specifically for a real example then I would have deferred as the ticklish feather of speculation is only served by us not having a concrete example to give.

We can though speculate about armies being gripped by universal panic, the terror of a few transmitting through the ranks like wildfire resulting in total routs. Perhaps there is an ability to spread utter panic that does not rely entirely on deed or word but the powerfulness of the emotion.

Mob behavior and the debasing effects it can have is perhaps a potential flag of something else at work.

Who are we to know but if we agree the door is opened through our individual experiences a peek at the possibilities should not be condemned.