it seems i will be logged out after two hour's
[thats bull grayham]..to put it nicely
change for change sake[bah]

but back to the topic for now

""we all have the same "bundles",
but that "reason" was idiosyncratically prey
to internal impressions,..“our passions, emotions, desires and aversions”.""'

include
that we hate in others
is that bit of ourselves we end up resisting

""Human reason,
unconstrained by empirical evidence,..was prone to eccentricity.""

thus why govt/media
sek to give stuff that fels like fact
but is in reality spin...spun upon the ignorant

[like libia is as much as like when..
iraq's/sadman insane wanted euros
for his oil..

[just as gadfly...wanted to be paid
in african gold dinars]

the real reaason behind the media spin..to war


""Advanced market democracies
are dominated by vested interests possessed of highly refined technologies designed to manipulate and exploit..Hume's "internal impressions".""

ie note
not gut feelings
but pat-rot-ic feelings

backing your team

""Institutions serve to constrain
these idiosyncratic resources within manageable and, importantly, "predictable" bounds.""

takle one for the team

""Is this not self-evident?
If it's not,..that's because we are simultaneously
tutored to grow self-esteem,..the more exaggerated the better,
in the process of being cultivated...for harvest."""

well put
the harvest of spin
wont fill your stomache mind

""Thus we have solid investments--material,
ideological and self-affirming--in the farm,"'

firm?
in-house?

>>putting it above criticism,
which becomes tantamount to blasphemy.""

nair a truer word spokens
ok words]..

Hence Johnson's "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".
It's ironic, a system built on egotism that's utterly compliant."""

when the mans right he is right
not all right..not far right..not right out there
just right...this time

note
[generalised comment..not specific]

if even a LITTLE BIT wrong..IS WRONG
maybe even for the right reason

yet in being wrong
that wrong corrupts the whole cake

""This is not a conspiracy theory;..the system evolved.
Evolution is nothing if not opportunistic and ruthless."""

now hang on

this is wrong[by biased]..
wrong teaching re 'evolution'

EVOLUTION is a species limited process
NEVER HAS MICRO EVOLUTION resulted in a macro evolution

NOT EVER has a lizard 'evolved'..into a bird
or a coldblood EVOLVED..[fish]..
into a warm blood..[mammal]

the miss direction..re evolution
being accorded..to oppertuinism?...
[out of genus]

for the physical factors of survival...
has been much miss represented

studdy of darwins finches..reveals in dry season more short beaked 'survive'...in wet seasons more long beaked
[yes this is oppertuionism..BUT...mate its got nothing to do with..''evolutioon'[as in making an ape a man]

but its the cloak of logic
sustaining the insane
to taker good/god..[out of the picture]

if no god..then what?
[so sell the athjiests a god free EVIL-loot-ion

nor ""ruthlessness"
WITHIN...its family...
[out of pig headed ignorance]

only for danger or food[survival]
NEVER OUT OF MALICE..rarely out of ignorance

""Thus I'd thought I'd made a compelling case
for recognising some of the inherent weaknesses of representative democracy and especially its institutional obstinacy.""

a picture is worth a 1000 words

""Popular democracy is highly admirable, all things being equal,
but all things are not equal""....!

""and..institutional conservatism
is a definite weakness..when agility is called for..in response to less tangible,..home-grown threats like AGW""

where the problem..IF indeed a true proplem
is caused by deteriation of the sky..[by grenhouse axcting GASSES]
not just one gass..but many[at least 10 so far..many far worse affect]...like methane..and nitrouse oxide....

WHO ESCAPE bl;ame and shame
cause theyu are made by good/ol farmers..and miners
sheepfarts and home composting bins...nitogen fertilisers and gas drilling.

""If an aggressive neighbour threatened,
action would be swift, but we're much less inclined to be self-critical.""

or made to feel*
they will beat us up with smarter facts

ie..we arnt smart enough to rebut
the science LIES the facts stand upon?

""I'm inclined,..then,
to agree with davidf..that a benign oligarchy
would be preferable,..especially if its court..was amenable to specialised appeal..and responsive to internal degeneracy

as well as external threats."

yeah me too

""Devolution into tyranny is of course the worry,
but perhaps this could be avoided if the oligarchical membership was temporary,...""

or a..completly sepperated power?
no powwers to lend to friends..no power to criminalise
no powwer to make war...or pick favourites...no need for lending]

""and privilege was honorary
rather than material.""

never underestimate the ability of men to lust after money
power...gratification..ego..[only good god is perfect]..

""Humility and devotion
..is precisely what Peoples' Governments lack.""

yes certainly..but so much more needs to go wrong
for govt to think it right to oppress its sacred trust


csteel..quote

""I suppose one way of making our institutions
more reactive to the will of the general populace
would be to follow the States...by having our law enforcement chiefs popularly elected along with our district attorneys.

Why not elect judges?""

sdo much wrong with that
but lets take this no further than the constitution

''where state laws are devergent..
they fall under federal powers..""

if non egsistand[or divergent]..
they become of null affect

"'But the separation of our courts from our parliament continues to largely remain in place in Australia. We as a society prefer it that way, perhaps intuitively keeping passions at bay from the servants of our reason."'

the joke of sepperation of powwers is nuttts
lawyers become polititions
making laws...constructed by civil servants[lawyers]
to be defended by lawyers...and judged by lawyers..who are only legslated to manufacture 'orders'..[orders are the cash remedy]

ever heard of money orders
THE ORDER IS MONEY[as good as gold]
[show him your order]..[orders convert into bills]
by signing a bill it becomes a negiotiatable security note

""while I'm sure you don't want a bunch of Ghandi clones as our ruling class..the sentiment you have expressed about humility and devotion..is precisely why countries..

..that have thrown off corrupt,..venal dictatorships
often react by installing the religious classes
and their laws as their preferred rulers.""

where govts got it wrong
is THINKING/believing..they are allowed..to make laws

nor make wars..
nor make treaties...[on behalf of 'we'..others]

NOT IN MY NAMe

csteel,
Am I really that poor a communicator that you fail completely to grasp what I'm saying?
As soon as time permits I'll get back to you, but may I ask in the meantime that you compare my post with your inferences and consider again whether they actually tally?

OUG,
I'm very flattered that you've taken occasionally to annotating my posts, and I'm glad we often agree, at least to a point.
On evolution; it's perfectly acceptable to use the word as an adjective in the way I did, to describe the evolution of modern social structures.
Evolution per se is another topic.

Dear csteele,

There are cases for which we do not have a ready explanation such as my dream and your mother's feeling that something happened to your father. However, it is taking a big leap to say it is something supernatural or in support of any religious belief. We don't yet know all the natural processes that take place, and it is possible that we will never know on an analytical, experimental level. Your parents may been so close to each other that they could communicate feelings at a distance by some means we know nothing of. I have members of my family that I am close to who live in the areas immediately affected by 9/11. I later found that one of them was driving a car in New Jersey and actually saw a plane plough into one of the Towers. So even if my dream was not coincidence I don't think it was any supernatural manifestation.

Dear Squeers,

I fear I may be a waste of your time. If I can't attach things to the concrete then I have difficulties.

A failing indeed but I have learned to live with it. It is why Hume frustrates me. For instance for all his pontifications he seemed to be either lazy or inconsistent when asked to reflect on our institutions, although that may be a little unfair for the time.

Thank you for your patience anyway. Will catch you on the next one.

Dear davidf,

Happy to accept what you say, that what we deem as supernatural may well be natural though as yet the mechanisms remain hidden, but you have to admit the idea does raise some tantalizing prospects. A universal human consciousness created through our interconnectedness at this yet unknown level. Something those in the past may have referred to as divine.