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Who is going to pay for the damage?

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Some doubt exists in my mind these folk ever demanded Australians change our way of life.
Or that they exist in the numbers some do, maybe our total intake of boat people already out numbers them.
And if csteel thoughts ran this country we would soon be out numbered.
What of the fate of those in refugee camps all over the world, the ones who do not pay large sums to come here.
What is the difference between these boats and invasion?
And as the majority of this country does not want it to continue are we then to be told by the csteels of this world Democracy is only for when it agrees with them?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 24 April 2011 5:02:56 AM
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What Belly said;

Why do people keep pretending that aversion to Islamic fundamentalists is the latest generic xenophobia when the previous refugees (and about half of the current ones) in comparison were from civilized countries merely run by despots or suffering a war (China, Greece, Vietnam etc), have a state of mind, emotion, cultural conduct and morals that are perfectly compatible to our own, would not perceive people outside their community with some kind of gangsta-tribalistic hostility, and tend to have the same reaction to not getting their way as we do).

As opposed to tribalistic religious fanatics whose whole moral system ONLY revolves around maintaining and propagating their religion (but are otherwise incredibly lacking in basic moral acts like respecting others, and are far more self-entitled and demanding); and are prone to acts of pyromania when they don't get their way, and violent uprisings and acts of murder whenever their religion gets criticized.

Gee, nothing new here at all;
Posted by King Hazza, Sunday, 24 April 2011 11:11:11 AM
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“ Posted by King Hazza, Sunday, 24 April 2011 11:11:11 AM”
Lots of one’s how cool is that.

“As opposed to tribalistic religious fanatics whose whole moral system ONLY revolves around maintaining and propagating their religion (but are otherwise incredibly lacking in basic moral acts like respecting others, and are far more self-entitled and demanding); and are prone to acts of pyromania when they don't get their way, and violent uprisings and acts of murder whenever their religion gets criticized.”

This seemed to be a good definition of all major religions. Some are much sneakier about it now though because they are “civilized”, lobby, wear suits, speakadagoodengish.

More importantly, is today chocolate day?
Posted by Jewely, Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:19:30 PM
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*We as a country got past those concerns and moved on to become one of the countries advocating a humane approach to refugees of the world*

Nope Csteele, we as a nation have become a nation of heart on
your sleeve suckers.

The UN 1951 Convention is now 60 years out of date. The world
has changed in that time and there are loopholes that anyone
with half a brain can jump through, if they are after a cushy
lifestyle.

Now imagine if we had not changed out tax laws and closed loopholes.
Other laws are regularly updated, to allow for changed cirumstances.

But not the UN 1951 Convention. It remains open to abuse and
because the bleeding hearts are shouting so loudly, nothing gets
changed and genuine refugees miss out, whilst those with money
and a fast mouth can jump through the loopholes as they please.

So suckers we are, for we are paying for the lot, whilst genuine
refugees without money behind them, rot in refugee camps around
the world.

You should be ashamed of yourself for being so naive.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 24 April 2011 1:40:12 PM
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Dear King Hazza,

Jewely’s highlighting the omen of 11.11.11 should hopefully give us pause. Rememberance, the opposite of forgetting.

The comparison I made with Jewish refugees after the war might make you uncomfortable but it in no way lessens its validity.

Jews at the time were bombing hotels and killing British servicemen in Palestine, a point that was made often in letters to the papers and the Prime Minister referring to the Jewish refugees as 'potential terrorists'.

P J Lynch, the president of the Australian Natives Association didn’t want Australia becoming a ‘dumping ground for European refuse now causing trouble in Palestine ... as Jews in Palestine were murdering and flogging British subjects’.

From a Liberal MP.
"The arrival of additional Jews is nothing less than the beginning of a national tragedy and a piece of the grossest deception of Parliament and the people by the Minister for Immigration."

He also made the point "we are not compelled to accept the unwanted of the world at the dictate of the United Nations or anyone else".

Suzanne Rutland in her journal article ‘Postwar Anti-Jewish Refugee Hysteria: A Case of Racial or Religious Bigotry?’ says “Jews were often depicted as godless people, lacking in moral principles and threatening to Christianity”

This lobbying did get the annual intake reduced but it was still proportionally far greater than the numbers we receive at the moment from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The concerns shown then had as much validity as those shown now. It is up to each of us to decide how much weight they deserve.
Posted by csteele, Sunday, 24 April 2011 9:48:39 PM
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Dear King Hazza,

History lesson number two.

The Bonegilla migrant camp was set up in North-east Victoria to transit post war migrants. Although well away from major towns and cities it did gain attention after 13 newly arrived children died of malnutrition. An inquiry found inadequately staffing levels were a significant factor in their deaths and measure were taken to address the issue.

In 1952, after the suicides of three young men, there was major unrest by Italian and german immigrants. From the Sydney Morning Herald 19th July 1952;

"Two hundred armed troops and five armoured cars moved into the Bonegilla migrant camp today as 2000 Italian migrants threatened to riot and set fire to the camp."

Substantial Rioting occurred again in 1961 with migrants completely trashing the employment office and clashing with police.

Many were Jewish.

Should they have all been sent home?

Dear Yabby,
You wrote "You should be ashamed of yourself for being so naive." Naive? Hardly. Idealistic possibly but that is the prerogative as a member of a relatively new nation of migrants. We do strange things like give women the vote and give a Jew the position of vice-regal representative the first ever in the Empire. Speaks to our identity in many ways, despite the naysayers.
Posted by csteele, Monday, 25 April 2011 1:09:25 PM
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