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Who is going to pay for the damage?

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Csteele- problem is the Afghan and Iraq wars would have still occurred no thanks to our involvement or absence due to America- as it is our participation in both is only a few hundred personnel.
And personally, I'd rather put an immediate stop to our involvement and start positive policy from scratch, than decide that I must pay penance to any Afghans who flee over an indefinite period into the future, at the expense of a safe domestic immigration policy.

So, to answer your question:
If an arrival is judged within the first day of contact to be no potential risk/ is socially compatible, they can simply be processed in the community.
Persons who appear to be religious fundamentalists or suspicious will be placed in detention and processed there- with the priority of processing on them to shorten their detention.
If they are rejected for either character grounds, security risks or any other reason that they would not be suitable to live among the Australian community, they instantly get sent home instead of remain in detention.

I suppose if the issue of failing to ascertain their full data over the three week period to determine if their applications are to be rejected or approved, they will be judged on character if they will be placed in community care or in detention while they wait, with the option to relocate back to their country of origin or a willing third-country always available.
Posted by King Hazza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 3:45:45 PM
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In the world we mostly live in the very real one.Quite a long way from the bleeding hearts/greens numbers actually count.
Voters vote as they want to, and think as they want too.
Villawood ,hotels, screaming abusive funerals, rock throwers are not in fashion.
Fire mobile phones thrown over fences then used to prompt rioters are not.
ANY poll will show, unless taken in a phone box meeting of the lost blind bleeding hearts, will show less than 40% of us do not want to stop the riots and the boats.
CHARMED csteel but ROTFL at you from your extreme corner saying I am waving the wait for it, RED FLAG!
Time comes close that conservations will be forced to confront the fact this country is not able to grow endlessly that peak population will bring us trouble.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 23 April 2011 3:54:45 PM
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csteele:
You say that "you are proud" that this country was
a founding member of the UN, and that statement my
friend is precisely where you demonstrated your own
personal "sheeple" desire to be led by the nose by
the proverbial Pied Piper!

Could you tell me whenever you have been able to
select your very own choice of candidate to represent
you in Government?

Can you tell me when you have ever been asked for
your opinion on any subject by a sitting (lying)
member of Parliament?

Do you really believe that when you are voting to elect
a Government, you are really going to change things?

Do you really believe the swill that you are espousing
about the veracity of the United Nations?

Democracy my friend is a figment of the imagination,
a convenient tool utilized by politicians and big business
to hide the corruption and misdeeds that are occurring
on a daily basis, and to instil a false sense of security
into members of the community who sense that things are
getting a bit smelly in the areas of governance!

If you have such strong feelings about these "poor asylum
seekers" maybe you could remove some of the load from
the backs of the taxpayers and take a few of these people
home to live with you?

Watching the "poor" chappie with the bound wrists
squealing into his cell-phone, I immediately thought of
a sure-fire method of getting him off the roof...applying
the "Police Academy" movie methodology, as suggested by
"I can get your Kitty-Cat down from the tree, Madam!"
Posted by Crackcup, Saturday, 23 April 2011 4:06:33 PM
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Dear Crackcup,

<<Could you tell me whenever you have been able to
select your very own choice of candidate to represent
you in Government?>>

As a former member of the Australian Democrats I took the opportunity over the time I was there to directly elect the candidates that would represent me both in the Senate and the House of Representatives. I think only one of them was a lawyer and none were union officials.


<<Can you tell me when you have ever been asked for
your opinion on any subject by a sitting (lying)
member of Parliament?>>

Before the last state and federal elections I was able to place my point of view and that of a community group I represented before a number of politicians, several whom directly sought that opinion.

<<Do you really believe that when you are voting to elect
a Government, you are really going to change things?>>

Yes or else I wouldn’t bother. Often during campaigns I have felt causes I have supported to be lost but it heartening to see how elections open doors and results many have been quite proud of have been achieved.

<<Do you really believe the swill that you are espousing
about the veracity of the United Nations?>>

Totally.

For all its faults the UN presents a great hope for mankind. People say it hasn’t solved the problem of war but just one example of the unity of purpose that can be achieved was the eradication of small pox. It is credited with saving more human beings last century than were lost in all the wars fought.

Alan Renouf wrote of Evatt’s work on behalf of Australia in the formation of the UN “It brought great credit to his country; more than any other national leader, Evatt made Australia known universally and made it known as a country of courage, responsibility and liberalism”.

As an Australian I am certainly proud of the institution and also of our role its formation. I am also proud of our involvement in the drafting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Posted by csteele, Saturday, 23 April 2011 6:09:30 PM
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Article 44 of the Refugee Convention:

"Denunciation

1. Any Contracting State may denounce this Convention at any time by a
notification addressed to the Secretary-General of the United Nations."

We cannot go on to accept and give all sorts of rights to so called refugees.Most of them have no intention to accept our values and will remain an economic and political burden to this country.
So simply let us denounce the refugee convention and stop to give rights to people who come to Australia without valid papers.
Posted by secular, Saturday, 23 April 2011 7:40:03 PM
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Last week I had the occasion to be in Orrong Road in the east of Melbourne. Coming down the street were quite a number of orthodox Jewish families. They have their own distinct culture and religion. It was with a real sense of pride that I contemplated the fact that my country was able to give one of the world's most persecuted people sanctuary from fear and abuse.

Melbourne's substantial Jewish population virtually doubled over the five years after the war. This flood of refugees was not greeted with enthusiasm by all at the time, particularly by the RSL whose newsletters ran some pretty vile cartoons making arguments like those in the post above. We as a country got past those concerns and moved on to become one of the countries advocating a humane approach to refugees of the world. 

It is a proud tradition and one we should be defending.
Posted by csteele, Saturday, 23 April 2011 8:56:12 PM
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